[nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

Fri May 3 18:36:35 UTC 2013

What is APH?

Anna

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On May 3, 2013, at 9:53 AM, christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> It could probably work for making graphs and such. I'm interested in
> trying out the new graphing calculator APH is coming out with.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 3, 2013, at 10:08 AM, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yeah,  I remember my college algebra course.  I don't even want to think
>> about trying that on a 40 cell braille display.  Wonder if excel would work
>> in algebra?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:22 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>> 
>> Sophie,
>> Try doing college algebra on a single line braille display, just give it a
>> shot, and I think you'll be singing quite a different tune. :-)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 2, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Helga, in addition to agreeing with everything Kirt said, I also believe
>> there's another extremely relevant reason why you should try reading with
>> the braillenote's display. Paper braille is becoming obsolete. I may get
>> some flack on the list for this, but it is true. I'm a sophomore in high
>> school, and for the past two years or so, more and more of my assignments
>> have either been emailed to me or put on a flash drive. The world is moving
>> away from paper (well, the blind world, at least) and toward computers, and
>> in your future place of employment, it would be very unrealistic to expect
>> paper braille in anything. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I'm just
>> making a point.
>>> 
>>> Cheers from your fellow future English major, Sophie
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>> To: dburke at cocenter.org, National Association of Blind Students
>>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:42:41
>>> -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>> 
>>> Helga,
>>> I'd personally try to read your books with the refreshable braille
>>> display first.  There are two reasons for this.  First, you might
>>> discover that the braille note refreshable braille display does, in
>>> fact, work for you...in which case you won't need an embosser at all
>>> for the vast majority of things; advanced math and some few science
>>> classes being the exception, perhaps.  Second, and perhaps more
>>> relivant to you, your rehab counselor will probably ask you why you
>>> can't just use the braille note braille display for your braille
>>> reading.  Having become familiar with the refreshable braille, you
>>> will be more able to provide adequett justification for why you need
>>> an embosser instead of just the braille note.
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Kirt
>>> 
>>> On 5/2/13, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:
>>> If I may offer some information even though I'm not a student ..  I
>>> worked for a Ds office for many years, and for the last number of
>>> years I supervised the alternate formats aspect of the office.
>>> 
>>> First, have you signed up for Bookshare? There are lots of text books
>>> available in electronic formats that your Braille note can read, or
>>> that can be read on your iPhone or with JAWS.
>>> 
>>> Next Helga, if Bookshare doesn't have your texts your DS office may
>>> need to give you a better format.  They would need to do that f
>>> Braille is your preferred format and there is a compelling reason that
>>> PDF isn't good enough.  That English is your second language and that
>>> your major requires reading and comprehending complex literature (and
>>> what major doesn't?), is a compelling argument in my opinion.  You
>>> need to make that clear to the DS office, but you will very likely
>>> have to push it if you really want it.
>>> They can easily give you a MS Word format, for example, if the text is
>>> not available at Bookshare.  But you will have a good bit of work
>>> ahead of you turning a PDF into any kind of Braille document.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I think that PDF is a terrible format for just about anything.
>>> 
>>> With a Word file, you can do a couple of things.  Of course you could
>>> read it with your note taker's refreshable Braille display.  It is
>>> likely that the DS office will stand their ground on that and not offer
>> paper Braille.
>>> With a Word file you could also use Duxbury and print your own paper
>>> Braille, which you have obviously thought about.  But you may need to
>>> press the DS office by looking at campus options for due process - in
>>> other words, a complaint - if they don't agree to provide you with a
>>> format other than PDF.
>>> 
>>> And the other thing is that Voc Rehab's excuse that embossers are
>>> expensive just isn't good enough.  Your reasons for having one are
>>> pretty good.  If they are to deny this bit of technology, they need to
>>> do so on the basis that it isn't related to your vocational goal.
>>> They can't say it's too expensive once you are already in an
>> Individualized Plan for Employment.
>>> Again, you will likely have to push this.  You can start by asking
>>> your VR counselor for information on your rights to appeal. This is
>>> something they are required to provide.
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:50 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>> 
>>> Hi all, this is Helga. I just
>>> would like to ask you guys, Do you know where can I get a Dux Bury
>>> program and a Braille printer that is compatible with the BrailleNote
>>> apex for a cheap price? The Reason I'm asking is because I like to
>>> read Braille because is my prefer way of reading especially when I'm
>>> reading stories that are hard to understand the wording. I'm actually
>>> doing an English major where I need to take Literature classes that
>>> involve a lot of reading. Actually, this semester I took American
>>> Literature before 1865, and it was very challenging for me because the
>>> only accessable format of the Book  that DSS provided me was PDF
>>> format, and and I got a audio cd from Learning Ally. It was helpful,
>>> but not enough to understand the stories since my first Language is
>>> not English, even though I speak it, I'm still working on my
>>> comprehension of words. I also talked to my DBS counceler about this
>>> and she told me that she would not buy me the Braille printer because
>>> is very expensive. I really Think a Braille paper copy of a reading
>>> will really help me a lot since I'm thinking in taking American
>>> Literature after 1865 in the Fall semester.
>>> Thank you guys for listening to me. I really appreciate it. God bless!
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