[nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

Fri May 3 18:40:23 UTC 2013

The American printing House for the blind.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

On May 3, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com> wrote:

> What is APH?
>
> Anna
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 3, 2013, at 9:53 AM, christopher nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> It could probably work for making graphs and such. I'm interested in
>> trying out the new graphing calculator APH is coming out with.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 3, 2013, at 10:08 AM, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Yeah,  I remember my college algebra course.  I don't even want to think
>>> about trying that on a 40 cell braille display.  Wonder if excel would work
>>> in algebra?
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:22 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>
>>> Sophie,
>>> Try doing college algebra on a single line braille display, just give it a
>>> shot, and I think you'll be singing quite a different tune. :-)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 2, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Helga, in addition to agreeing with everything Kirt said, I also believe
>>> there's another extremely relevant reason why you should try reading with
>>> the braillenote's display. Paper braille is becoming obsolete. I may get
>>> some flack on the list for this, but it is true. I'm a sophomore in high
>>> school, and for the past two years or so, more and more of my assignments
>>> have either been emailed to me or put on a flash drive. The world is moving
>>> away from paper (well, the blind world, at least) and toward computers, and
>>> in your future place of employment, it would be very unrealistic to expect
>>> paper braille in anything. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I'm just
>>> making a point.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers from your fellow future English major, Sophie
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>> To: dburke at cocenter.org, National Association of Blind Students
>>>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2013 10:42:41
>>>> -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>
>>>> Helga,
>>>> I'd personally try to read your books with the refreshable braille
>>>> display first.  There are two reasons for this.  First, you might
>>>> discover that the braille note refreshable braille display does, in
>>>> fact, work for you...in which case you won't need an embosser at all
>>>> for the vast majority of things; advanced math and some few science
>>>> classes being the exception, perhaps.  Second, and perhaps more
>>>> relivant to you, your rehab counselor will probably ask you why you
>>>> can't just use the braille note braille display for your braille
>>>> reading.  Having become familiar with the refreshable braille, you
>>>> will be more able to provide adequett justification for why you need
>>>> an embosser instead of just the braille note.
>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>> Kirt
>>>>
>>>> On 5/2/13, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:
>>>> If I may offer some information even though I'm not a student ..  I
>>>> worked for a Ds office for many years, and for the last number of
>>>> years I supervised the alternate formats aspect of the office.
>>>>
>>>> First, have you signed up for Bookshare? There are lots of text books
>>>> available in electronic formats that your Braille note can read, or
>>>> that can be read on your iPhone or with JAWS.
>>>>
>>>> Next Helga, if Bookshare doesn't have your texts your DS office may
>>>> need to give you a better format.  They would need to do that f
>>>> Braille is your preferred format and there is a compelling reason that
>>>> PDF isn't good enough.  That English is your second language and that
>>>> your major requires reading and comprehending complex literature (and
>>>> what major doesn't?), is a compelling argument in my opinion.  You
>>>> need to make that clear to the DS office, but you will very likely
>>>> have to push it if you really want it.
>>>> They can easily give you a MS Word format, for example, if the text is
>>>> not available at Bookshare.  But you will have a good bit of work
>>>> ahead of you turning a PDF into any kind of Braille document.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I think that PDF is a terrible format for just about anything.
>>>>
>>>> With a Word file, you can do a couple of things.  Of course you could
>>>> read it with your note taker's refreshable Braille display.  It is
>>>> likely that the DS office will stand their ground on that and not offer
>>> paper Braille.
>>>> With a Word file you could also use Duxbury and print your own paper
>>>> Braille, which you have obviously thought about.  But you may need to
>>>> press the DS office by looking at campus options for due process - in
>>>> other words, a complaint - if they don't agree to provide you with a
>>>> format other than PDF.
>>>>
>>>> And the other thing is that Voc Rehab's excuse that embossers are
>>>> expensive just isn't good enough.  Your reasons for having one are
>>>> pretty good.  If they are to deny this bit of technology, they need to
>>>> do so on the basis that it isn't related to your vocational goal.
>>>> They can't say it's too expensive once you are already in an
>>> Individualized Plan for Employment.
>>>> Again, you will likely have to push this.  You can start by asking
>>>> your VR counselor for information on your rights to appeal. This is
>>>> something they are required to provide.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:50 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>
>>>> Hi all, this is Helga. I just
>>>> would like to ask you guys, Do you know where can I get a Dux Bury
>>>> program and a Braille printer that is compatible with the BrailleNote
>>>> apex for a cheap price? The Reason I'm asking is because I like to
>>>> read Braille because is my prefer way of reading especially when I'm
>>>> reading stories that are hard to understand the wording. I'm actually
>>>> doing an English major where I need to take Literature classes that
>>>> involve a lot of reading. Actually, this semester I took American
>>>> Literature before 1865, and it was very challenging for me because the
>>>> only accessable format of the Book  that DSS provided me was PDF
>>>> format, and and I got a audio cd from Learning Ally. It was helpful,
>>>> but not enough to understand the stories since my first Language is
>>>> not English, even though I speak it, I'm still working on my
>>>> comprehension of words. I also talked to my DBS counceler about this
>>>> and she told me that she would not buy me the Braille printer because
>>>> is very expensive. I really Think a Braille paper copy of a reading
>>>> will really help me a lot since I'm thinking in taking American
>>>> Literature after 1865 in the Fall semester.
>>>> Thank you guys for listening to me. I really appreciate it. God bless!
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