[nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

Thu May 2 19:51:08 UTC 2013

Well, I'll make sure not to take my research stastics class until fall 2014.

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

We don't know yet.  I heard it's not supposed to go on the market till the
fall.

On 5/2/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> How much does that calculator cost, and how well does it work?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:26 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>
> Hi all,
>
> Me too.  I'm kicking myself for it, but had I known APH was coming out
with
> the graphing calculator back in November I would have waited to take
> college
> statistics instead of just tried to get it over with.
> However, Excel did a pretty good job of handling most of the formulas.
>  My class was graphing calculator-based so there were a few things the
> other
> students could do on their calculators that I could not do in Excel, but
it
> was nothing we couldn't work around by my teacher changing the problem to
> have me interpret an equasion and demonstrate I understood how it
> functioned
> rather than actually fight with Excel to get a calculation it couldn't
> really do.
>
> Justin, I don't have one personally but my Disabilities office has a
> Focus40 Braille Display for me to use at school and I love it.  The
> Brailliant is also a very good display too, so either way I think you
can't
> go wrong with the 40 cell displays unless you really want something more
> portable. for travel.  I found they work well though.
>
> On 5/2/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hos did your seminar go?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> christopher nusbaum
>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:40 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>
>> The American printing House for the blind.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 3, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What is APH?
>>>
>>> Anna
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2013, at 9:53 AM, christopher nusbaum
>>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It could probably work for making graphs and such. I'm interested in
>>>> trying out the new graphing calculator APH is coming out with.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 3, 2013, at 10:08 AM, justin williams
>>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah,  I remember my college algebra course.  I don't even want to
>>>>> think about trying that on a 40 cell braille display.  Wonder if
>>>>> excel would
>> work
>>>>> in algebra?
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:22 AM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>
>>>>> Sophie,
>>>>> Try doing college algebra on a single line braille display, just
>>>>> give it
>> a
>>>>> shot, and I think you'll be singing quite a different tune. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 2, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Helga, in addition to agreeing with everything Kirt said, I also
>> believe
>>>>> there's another extremely relevant reason why you should try
>>>>> reading
>> with
>>>>> the braillenote's display. Paper braille is becoming obsolete. I
>>>>> may get some flack on the list for this, but it is true. I'm a
>>>>> sophomore in high school, and for the past two years or so, more
>>>>> and more of my
>> assignments
>>>>> have either been emailed to me or put on a flash drive. The world
>>>>> is
>> moving
>>>>> away from paper (well, the blind world, at least) and toward
>>>>> computers,
>> and
>>>>> in your future place of employment, it would be very unrealistic to
>> expect
>>>>> paper braille in anything. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I'm
>>>>> just making a point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers from your fellow future English major, Sophie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: dburke at cocenter.org, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2013
>>>>>> 10:42:41
>>>>>> -0600
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helga,
>>>>>> I'd personally try to read your books with the refreshable braille
>>>>>> display first.  There are two reasons for this.  First, you might
>>>>>> discover that the braille note refreshable braille display does,
>>>>>> in fact, work for you...in which case you won't need an embosser
>>>>>> at all for the vast majority of things; advanced math and some few
>>>>>> science classes being the exception, perhaps.  Second, and perhaps
>>>>>> more relivant to you, your rehab counselor will probably ask you
>>>>>> why you can't just use the braille note braille display for your
>>>>>> braille reading.  Having become familiar with the refreshable
>>>>>> braille, you will be more able to provide adequett justification
>>>>>> for why you need an embosser instead of just the braille note.
>>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/2/13, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:
>>>>>> If I may offer some information even though I'm not a student ..
>>>>>> I worked for a Ds office for many years, and for the last number
>>>>>> of years I supervised the alternate formats aspect of the office.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, have you signed up for Bookshare? There are lots of text
>>>>>> books available in electronic formats that your Braille note can
>>>>>> read, or that can be read on your iPhone or with JAWS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next Helga, if Bookshare doesn't have your texts your DS office
>>>>>> may need to give you a better format.  They would need to do that
>>>>>> f Braille is your preferred format and there is a compelling
>>>>>> reason that PDF isn't good enough.  That English is your second
>>>>>> language and that your major requires reading and comprehending
>>>>>> complex literature (and what major doesn't?), is a compelling
>>>>>> argument in my opinion.  You need to make that clear to the DS
>>>>>> office, but you will very likely have to push it if you really want
> it.
>>>>>> They can easily give you a MS Word format, for example, if the
>>>>>> text is not available at Bookshare.  But you will have a good bit
>>>>>> of work ahead of you turning a PDF into any kind of Braille document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally, I think that PDF is a terrible format for just about
>> anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With a Word file, you can do a couple of things.  Of course you
>>>>>> could read it with your note taker's refreshable Braille display.
>>>>>> It is likely that the DS office will stand their ground on that
>>>>>> and not offer
>>>>> paper Braille.
>>>>>> With a Word file you could also use Duxbury and print your own
>>>>>> paper Braille, which you have obviously thought about.  But you
>>>>>> may need to press the DS office by looking at campus options for
>>>>>> due process - in other words, a complaint - if they don't agree to
>>>>>> provide you with a format other than PDF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And the other thing is that Voc Rehab's excuse that embossers are
>>>>>> expensive just isn't good enough.  Your reasons for having one are
>>>>>> pretty good.  If they are to deny this bit of technology, they
>>>>>> need to do so on the basis that it isn't related to your vocational
> goal.
>>>>>> They can't say it's too expensive once you are already in an
>>>>> Individualized Plan for Employment.
>>>>>> Again, you will likely have to push this.  You can start by asking
>>>>>> your VR counselor for information on your rights to appeal. This
>>>>>> is something they are required to provide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:50 PM
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all, this is Helga. I just
>>>>>> would like to ask you guys, Do you know where can I get a Dux Bury
>>>>>> program and a Braille printer that is compatible with the
>>>>>> BrailleNote apex for a cheap price? The Reason I'm asking is
>>>>>> because I like to read Braille because is my prefer way of reading
>>>>>> especially when I'm reading stories that are hard to understand
>>>>>> the wording. I'm actually doing an English major where I need to
>>>>>> take Literature classes that involve a lot of reading. Actually,
>>>>>> this semester I took American Literature before 1865, and it was
>>>>>> very challenging for me because the only accessable format of the
>>>>>> Book  that DSS provided me was PDF format, and and I got a audio
>>>>>> cd from Learning Ally. It was helpful, but not enough to
>>>>>> understand the stories since my first Language is not English,
>>>>>> even though I speak it, I'm still working on my comprehension of
>>>>>> words. I also talked to my DBS counceler about this and she told
>>>>>> me that she would not buy me the Braille printer because is very
>>>>>> expensive. I really Think a Braille paper copy of a reading will
>>>>>> really help me a lot since I'm thinking in taking American Literature
> after 1865 in the Fall semester.
>>>>>> Thank you guys for listening to me. I really appreciate it. God
>>>>>> bless!
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