[nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program

Fri May 3 21:14:15 UTC 2013

Well, depending on how the stats class is taught you could get through
it with no problem.  I had a few friends who had Excel-based stats
classes, where even the sighted students were taught using Excel, and
they did fine with it; it's just if it's graphing calculator-based
then it becomes a little more challenging.  Still, probably a good
move to wait, just so you can have multiple resources available to
you.

On 5/2/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I'll make sure not to take my research stastics class until fall
> 2014.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:40 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>
> We don't know yet.  I heard it's not supposed to go on the market till the
> fall.
>
> On 5/2/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> How much does that calculator cost, and how well does it work?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
>> Shelton
>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:26 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Me too.  I'm kicking myself for it, but had I known APH was coming out
> with
>> the graphing calculator back in November I would have waited to take
>> college
>> statistics instead of just tried to get it over with.
>> However, Excel did a pretty good job of handling most of the formulas.
>>  My class was graphing calculator-based so there were a few things the
>> other
>> students could do on their calculators that I could not do in Excel, but
> it
>> was nothing we couldn't work around by my teacher changing the problem to
>> have me interpret an equasion and demonstrate I understood how it
>> functioned
>> rather than actually fight with Excel to get a calculation it couldn't
>> really do.
>>
>> Justin, I don't have one personally but my Disabilities office has a
>> Focus40 Braille Display for me to use at school and I love it.  The
>> Brailliant is also a very good display too, so either way I think you
> can't
>> go wrong with the 40 cell displays unless you really want something more
>> portable. for travel.  I found they work well though.
>>
>> On 5/2/13, justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hos did your seminar go?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> christopher nusbaum
>>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 2:40 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>
>>> The American printing House for the blind.
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On May 3, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is APH?
>>>>
>>>> Anna
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On May 3, 2013, at 9:53 AM, christopher nusbaum
>>>> <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It could probably work for making graphs and such. I'm interested in
>>>>> trying out the new graphing calculator APH is coming out with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 3, 2013, at 10:08 AM, justin williams
>>>>> <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah,  I remember my college algebra course.  I don't even want to
>>>>>> think about trying that on a 40 cell braille display.  Wonder if
>>>>>> excel would
>>> work
>>>>>> in algebra?
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:22 AM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sophie,
>>>>>> Try doing college algebra on a single line braille display, just
>>>>>> give it
>>> a
>>>>>> shot, and I think you'll be singing quite a different tune. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 2, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helga, in addition to agreeing with everything Kirt said, I also
>>> believe
>>>>>> there's another extremely relevant reason why you should try
>>>>>> reading
>>> with
>>>>>> the braillenote's display. Paper braille is becoming obsolete. I
>>>>>> may get some flack on the list for this, but it is true. I'm a
>>>>>> sophomore in high school, and for the past two years or so, more
>>>>>> and more of my
>>> assignments
>>>>>> have either been emailed to me or put on a flash drive. The world
>>>>>> is
>>> moving
>>>>>> away from paper (well, the blind world, at least) and toward
>>>>>> computers,
>>> and
>>>>>> in your future place of employment, it would be very unrealistic to
>>> expect
>>>>>> paper braille in anything. I'm not trying to be harsh or mean, I'm
>>>>>> just making a point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers from your fellow future English major, Sophie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: dburke at cocenter.org, National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Thu, 2 May 2013
>>>>>>> 10:42:41
>>>>>>> -0600
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helga,
>>>>>>> I'd personally try to read your books with the refreshable braille
>>>>>>> display first.  There are two reasons for this.  First, you might
>>>>>>> discover that the braille note refreshable braille display does,
>>>>>>> in fact, work for you...in which case you won't need an embosser
>>>>>>> at all for the vast majority of things; advanced math and some few
>>>>>>> science classes being the exception, perhaps.  Second, and perhaps
>>>>>>> more relivant to you, your rehab counselor will probably ask you
>>>>>>> why you can't just use the braille note braille display for your
>>>>>>> braille reading.  Having become familiar with the refreshable
>>>>>>> braille, you will be more able to provide adequett justification
>>>>>>> for why you need an embosser instead of just the braille note.
>>>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/2/13, Dan Burke <dburke at cocenter.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> If I may offer some information even though I'm not a student ..
>>>>>>> I worked for a Ds office for many years, and for the last number
>>>>>>> of years I supervised the alternate formats aspect of the office.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First, have you signed up for Bookshare? There are lots of text
>>>>>>> books available in electronic formats that your Braille note can
>>>>>>> read, or that can be read on your iPhone or with JAWS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Next Helga, if Bookshare doesn't have your texts your DS office
>>>>>>> may need to give you a better format.  They would need to do that
>>>>>>> f Braille is your preferred format and there is a compelling
>>>>>>> reason that PDF isn't good enough.  That English is your second
>>>>>>> language and that your major requires reading and comprehending
>>>>>>> complex literature (and what major doesn't?), is a compelling
>>>>>>> argument in my opinion.  You need to make that clear to the DS
>>>>>>> office, but you will very likely have to push it if you really want
>> it.
>>>>>>> They can easily give you a MS Word format, for example, if the
>>>>>>> text is not available at Bookshare.  But you will have a good bit
>>>>>>> of work ahead of you turning a PDF into any kind of Braille
>>>>>>> document.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally, I think that PDF is a terrible format for just about
>>> anything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With a Word file, you can do a couple of things.  Of course you
>>>>>>> could read it with your note taker's refreshable Braille display.
>>>>>>> It is likely that the DS office will stand their ground on that
>>>>>>> and not offer
>>>>>> paper Braille.
>>>>>>> With a Word file you could also use Duxbury and print your own
>>>>>>> paper Braille, which you have obviously thought about.  But you
>>>>>>> may need to press the DS office by looking at campus options for
>>>>>>> due process - in other words, a complaint - if they don't agree to
>>>>>>> provide you with a format other than PDF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And the other thing is that Voc Rehab's excuse that embossers are
>>>>>>> expensive just isn't good enough.  Your reasons for having one are
>>>>>>> pretty good.  If they are to deny this bit of technology, they
>>>>>>> need to do so on the basis that it isn't related to your vocational
>> goal.
>>>>>>> They can't say it's too expensive once you are already in an
>>>>>> Individualized Plan for Employment.
>>>>>>> Again, you will likely have to push this.  You can start by asking
>>>>>>> your VR counselor for information on your rights to appeal. This
>>>>>>> is something they are required to provide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:50 PM
>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Printer and Dux Bury Program
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all, this is Helga. I just
>>>>>>> would like to ask you guys, Do you know where can I get a Dux Bury
>>>>>>> program and a Braille printer that is compatible with the
>>>>>>> BrailleNote apex for a cheap price? The Reason I'm asking is
>>>>>>> because I like to read Braille because is my prefer way of reading
>>>>>>> especially when I'm reading stories that are hard to understand
>>>>>>> the wording. I'm actually doing an English major where I need to
>>>>>>> take Literature classes that involve a lot of reading. Actually,
>>>>>>> this semester I took American Literature before 1865, and it was
>>>>>>> very challenging for me because the only accessable format of the
>>>>>>> Book  that DSS provided me was PDF format, and and I got a audio
>>>>>>> cd from Learning Ally. It was helpful, but not enough to
>>>>>>> understand the stories since my first Language is not English,
>>>>>>> even though I speak it, I'm still working on my comprehension of
>>>>>>> words. I also talked to my DBS counceler about this and she told
>>>>>>> me that she would not buy me the Braille printer because is very
>>>>>>> expensive. I really Think a Braille paper copy of a reading will
>>>>>>> really help me a lot since I'm thinking in taking American
>>>>>>> Literature
>> after 1865 in the Fall semester.
>>>>>>> Thank you guys for listening to me. I really appreciate it. God
>>>>>>> bless!
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