[nabs-l] offensive questions

Thu May 30 01:23:02 UTC 2013

Just read bunch of emails...
I agree with Justin that disability simulation is educational depending 
on context. For example, the leadership camp I mentioned previously was 
teaching empathy and importance of communication through the blind 
folding and hand tying activities.
Yes, the students most likely felt that being blind or not being able 
to use hands are extremely uncomfortable and limiting but the 
discussion afterward were not about those inconviniences.
Actually in my second year of attendance I was asked to speak about how 
my life is as a blind person after the blind folding activity. I 
initially said I wouldn't speak but I ended up talking about how my 
life is just normal like many others.
Arielle's point sounds interesting. I would love to know the outcome.
I am horrified to read some of the episodes for I have no memory that 
are scar to me about being ridiculously treated because I am blind 
except for some instances where my younger brothers were just being 
jerks..
It's matter of siblings though so it's a different story in my opinion.
Or maybe I have too strong immune system to some unfair treatments. haha
But I have definitely experienced how some people say "I am sorry that 
you are blind" as Melissa mentioned.
Usually these comments were from my friends or younger students and I 
just say "Nothing to be sorry about" or "I believe God has purpose" if 
I know the other is Christian. (As a Christian I really think this way)
What I find even worse is "I hope you could see some day"
As an oxymoron, however, I feel most comfortable with a person when I 
could freely admit "I wish I could see(these diagrams, you dancing, 
etc)" I say such a comment when I know that the person doesn't have any 
pity in me that she/he just thinks of me as a person.
Miso

-----Original Message-----
From: justin <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, May 29, 2013 5:29 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] offensive questions

I says "nothing to be sorry for; it is what itt is."  Or What did you 
do wrong?

-----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of melissa 
Green
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] offensive questions

here is another twist to this topic.
I have discovered that each time I have to explain that I am blind, for 
getting transportation to somewhere, or trying to get something 
accessible for me.
The first thing I hear is sorry.
I usually say no reason to be sorry.
How do you handle that.

Sincerely,
Melissa and Pj
"Forever is composed of nows." -Emily Dickinson facebook Melissa R 
Green Linkedin www.linkedin.com/in/melissagreen5674
skype: lissa5674

----- Original Message -----
From: "Desiree Oudinot" <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] offensive questions

Arielle,
Interesting points here. I was at a wedding reception a few weeks ago.
Two of my mom's friends had gotten married. While I was there, the
bride's brother, who's about a year older than me, sat down and talked
to me. At first, he didn't even realize I was blind. I could tell
because he kept making hand gestures and stuff to demonstrate his
points, or pointing at things. I explained that I couldn't see what he
was doing, and he just went on and on about how amazing I must be
because I'm blind. He did ask some genuine questions, which I answered
to the best of my ability, but after each question was answered, he
repeatedly reiterated how he would never be able to do those things
because he had been sighted all his life. He said, "You were born
blind. You don't know what you've missed. Sighted people rely on their
vision for everything." Then he took me to stand out in the rain with
him. he said, "how can you enjoy the rain if you can't see?" So I had
to explain the fresh scent (we were in the country), the feel of the
cool, refreshing drops, and the relaxing sound as it gently hit the
leaves and the grass. he thought that over for a minute, then asked me
if I identified colors by smells. I must have looked at him like he
had 8 heads, because he tried to say that green would smell like
fresh-cut grass, red would smell like flowing blood after you've cut
yourself, and blue would be the smell of a clear, crisp day at dawn.
While his descriptions were poetic, I walked away from that meeting
with him that night feeling a bit disgruntled. We exchanged phone
numbers, but we haven't talked since. I'm not sure if I should. On the
one hand, he was trying to put things in perspective, but on the other
hand, he also seemed just a little too fixated on the fact that sight
must play an integral role in anyone's life who has it. I even
explained about the friends I've known who have lost their sight later
in life and adapted, but that seemed to have little effect on him.
then again, we were both drinking, so that may have been a factor.
You know, sighted people think that being cut off from that sense
would cut them off from reality. But don't people feel the same way
about technology nowadays? How many people would welcome a massive
power outage that would leave them stranded for weeks or months
without their electronic devices, their computers, their
refrigerators, their heaters or air conditioners, even amenities like
toilets or traffic lights...What would we do? How would we cope?
Likewise, how many people do you know who seem glued to their smart
phones? they put them down for 30 seconds and they panic, wondering
how many facebook statuses and tweets they've missed. I consider that
to be a bit unhealthy. And yet everyone has their dependencies. Are
all dependencies unhealthy? Are they just human nature? Or is there
some way to eliminate the dependencies themselves, some way to foster
the idea of adaptability, so that the fear itself wouldn't breed so
much ignorance?

On 5/27/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Misty,
> What happened to you yesterday sounds very aggravating. If I may ask,
> was this offending person an employee at an establishment where you
> were hanging out, or just someone who was part of your social group?
> If she was an employee, then perhaps you might want to call the
> manager and complain about what happened? It's one thing to ask
> questions, but what's maddening about this situation is that it sounds
> like you told her how you do things, and how you prefer to be treated,
> and she simply didn't listen. I often feel like strangers I encounter
> on the street don't fully listen to what I am saying. Sometimes if I
> do need some information and ask a question, they don't really listen
> to my question and just say what they think I want to hear. For
> example, on Saturday I was walking through a parking lot to get to a
> restaurant. There was a sidewalk path, but I remembered that it had
> been under construction and was walking in  the parking lot to avoid
> the construction. Someone came up and offered to help me get back on
> the sidewalk. I asked him if the sidewalk barricades had been removed,
> but instead of answering me he kept saying he wanted to help me get
> back on the sidewalk and going on about how dangerous it was for me to
> be walking in the parking lot. Anyway, I finally had to stop him and
> say "Could you please answer the question I'm asking you? Are there
> barricades on the sidewalk?" and finally he told me the barricades had
> been removed. It would have gone much faster for both of us if he had
> just answered my original question the first time and then I could
> have moved to the sidewalk without assistance.
> I also think the patronizing actions of others are most frustrating of
> all. Too often I have people patting me on the arm or telling me I'm
> doing a good job as I walk by them, as if I need a cheerleader. I
> sometimes am tempted to grab some of these people, inform them that I
> will be receiving my Ph.D. in the next year, and then ask them if they
> would speak to an adult of my educational stature this way?
> As a psychologist I am really intrigued by the ways that sighted
> people think about how they would behave if they became blind. It has
> been well-documented that people neglect how much they can, and would,
> adapt to new situations over time. The fact is that if any of these
> doubting sighted folks became blind, they would have to adapt in order
> to keep living their lives. Some of them might lapse into depression,
> or be rich enough to hire full-time help with everything, but most of
> these people would be resilient enough (and practical enough) to learn
> the exact same skills we take for granted. However, sighted people
> looking into the future don't realize that this would happen. In one
> of my blindness simulation experiments I actually asked sighted people
> how well they thought they could perform various activities if they
> became blind, and most said they thought they would be extremely
> incapable. Notably, this was worse for those who had just been
> blindfolded and asked to walk around with a cane without any training.
> The participants' ratings of how capable they would be as blind people
> were closely related to their ratings of how capable actual blind
> people would be at the exact same tasks, suggesting that sighted
> people think about how they would do it and then use that prediction
> to make a judgment about how others would do the same thing blind.
> I think when we work on educating people, we want to get across to
> them that blindness techniques are things that pretty much anyone can
> learn. Those of us who have learned blindness techniques aren't
> special and we don't have superpowers. We just learned these skills
> because we were motivated to do normal things and we had no other
> choice but to use the alternative skills. It's simply not practical
> for most of us to have sighted help doing everything, and when we do
> take sighted assistance there is often a cost of some sort (monetary
> cost, being a burden on others or giving up some of our freedom). So
> to minimize these costs we figure out nonvisual ways to get things
> done. That's it.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 5/27/13, Misty Dawn Bradley <mistydbradley at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Arielle,
>> I get those same comments about being "amazing" or "inspiring" also. 
I
>> usually just respond by saying that I am a normal person who is just
>> doing
>> what they need to do in life. I try to explain also how I do it if 
there
>> is
>> time, but usually I do not know what to say either, so I just tell 
them
>> that
>> I just do what I need to do like other people do. A lot of sighted 
people
>> tell me that they could never travel independently or do anything on
>> their
>> own if they were blind and that they would have someone doing 
everything
>> for
>> them all of the time. I just tell them that there are things in life 
that
>> need to get done, such as grocery shopping, working, and many other 
daily
>> things, and it is much easier and makes me feel more free and 
independent
>> to
>> do these things when I want to do them instead of always relying on
>> everyone
>> to take me or do it for me on their own time. I have a lot more 
freedom
>> and
>> flexibility that way. Sometimes, when I put it that way, they can
>> understand
>> somewhat what I mean, and they will tell me so.
>> Misty
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
>> To: <jsoro620 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students 
mailing
>> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 8:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] offensive questions
>>
>>
>>> Agreed. Unfortunately there are times when people ask questions out 
of
>>> doubt or sarcasm rather than out of true curiosity. They already
>>> believe we can't do something and answering their question about how
>>> we do it doesn't persuade them to give us a job, or a second date, 
or
>>> whatever. Sometimes it's hard to tell if a question is asked out of
>>> curiosity or if the questioner has already made up his/her mind.
>>> However, I do think we should give folks the benefit of the doubt 
and
>>> at least attempt to educate them the best we can. We don't want
>>> well-intentioned folks to feel they have to bottle their questions
>>> inside and never learn what they want to learn about blindness. I 
also
>>> agree that if a question crosses personal boundaries, such as a
>>> question about how we handle toilet matters, then it should be
>>> addressed more assertively. I have luckily not been asked any
>>> questions that I found to be rude or invasive, but I know others 
have
>>> at times.
>>> I don't mind answering (appropriate) questions at all, but I am 
always
>>> stumped when some stranger tells me I am
>>> amazing/brave/inspiring/courageous. I can never figure out how to
>>> respond in such a way that acknowledges their goodwill but also
>>> attempts to educate them about the fact I am not very amazing or 
brave
>>> just because I can walk somewhere by myself. I could just say "thank
>>> you" and move on, but I don't like doing that because I feel like by
>>> thanking them I am validating what they think about blind people 
being
>>> amazing for doing the simplest things. Sometimes I find myself just
>>> ignoring the comment because I don't know what to say. Other times I
>>> will attempt to briefly explain the relevant techniques that I use, 
if
>>> time allows and if they seem interested. How do you handle this?
>>>
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 5/27/13, Joe <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Damn, this stupid JAWS thing isn't letting me respond to sender. 
LOL
>>>> Just
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>> chime in that I thought this was an excellent and well-written 
post.
>>>> I'm
>>>> sure you're a superb journalist.--Joe
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of The 
weird
>>>> writer
>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:40 AM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] offensive questions
>>>>
>>>> The restaurant bustles with activity as my date and I sit opposite 
each
>>>> other, talking about ourselves and what we do. To my immediate 
right, a
>>>> woman is talking to her mom on her cell phone about the baseball 
game
>>>> she
>>>> missed. Different smells bounce off my nose as men and women pass 
us
>>>> making
>>>> their way to their tables. Dishes clatter in the kitchen behind 
me, and
>>>> my
>>>> date’s cologne, masked over with deodorant, sprays my sense of 
smell as
>>>> I
>>>> gaze towards his ebony accented voice. We’re chatting jovially, our
>>>> laughter
>>>> dicing holes in conversations around us, making people stop, and, 
I'm
>>>> sure,
>>>> stare at this interracial gay couple.
>>>>
>>>> When the dishes come, we get into the topic of careers. He's a 
teacher.
>>>> With a mouth full, and hesitation dotting his syllables like rain, 
he
>>>> asks
>>>> me a very important question.
>>>>
>>>> “If you’re blind, how can you be a journalist?”
>>>>
>>>> Instantly the talons rise, and my fingers toy with the idea of 
creeping
>>>> towards his throat. A dozen retorts bang into my head as if it 
were a
>>>> chamber full of bullets, ready to blast this rude insensitive 
sighted
>>>> person
>>>> away. After a split second however, I suddenly realize that he's 
never
>>>> seen
>>>> adaptive technology, and he's never seen a Braille display, and 
he's
>>>> certainly never seen a victor reader stream or a computer with a 
screen
>>>> reader before. He's not in my world and he never was. Taking a deep
>>>> breath,
>>>> I explain how I'm a journalist when I'm blind, all with a huge 
smile on
>>>> my
>>>> face. The reason I choose to answer all his questions, and many 
others,
>>>> instead of following my gut instinct to be sarcastic is, he may 
not be
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>> my
>>>> world, but I know he can be if I just teach him.
>>>>
>>>> Whenever I hang around blind people and we make jokes about speech
>>>> synthesizers that sighted people wouldn't understand a sentence is
>>>> uttered
>>>> without fail. Sooner or later, we get to talking about sighted 
people
>>>> and
>>>> their lack of blindness knowledge. The words fly at me like sharp
>>>> bullets
>>>> that are not meant for me. They’re angry at the sighted people who 
ask
>>>> us
>>>> how we type on a computer. It's an angry question that's become a
>>>> common
>>>> one
>>>> in the blindness community.
>>>>
>>>> “They should know better. Why are they so stupid?”
>>>>
>>>> When that's uttered, I immediately see things through the sighted 
point
>>>> of
>>>> view. The truth is, they won’t be an expert about blindness ways or
>>>> technology. They shouldn’t know better because no one knows 
everything,
>>>> especially about a different way of living. They shouldn’t know 
better.
>>>> Instead, we have to get angry less, and educate more.
>>>>
>>>> Education is the key of knowledge that will turn itself, unlocking 
the
>>>> right
>>>> doors if the right direction is given. Among the disabled 
community who
>>>> tend
>>>> to get angry when they're asked to educate, this applies to people 
with
>>>> HIV
>>>> and aids as well.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen countless instances where someone with HIV or AIDS gets
>>>> offended
>>>> when a potential partner asks him if he will contract if they 
exchange
>>>> saliva. The contracted person became offended, and stormed off, 
hurt.
>>>> Upon
>>>> further investigation, I learned that his date didn't even know 
what
>>>> HIV
>>>> did. He didn't even know that it didn't have a cure.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of people say ignorance is bliss, but it's also a divider. 
Even
>>>> today,
>>>> the biggest hurtle that we all have to overcome is inclusion and
>>>> acceptance,
>>>> even among the gay community, disabled community, and HIV 
community. In
>>>> today's day and age, just simple curiosity could ruin a good 
friendship
>>>> or
>>>> relationship because of “offensive questions.” That divide grows
>>>> because
>>>> we
>>>> are easily offended at the questions we asked ourselves at one 
point.
>>>>
>>>> When I was learning the bus route for my daily commutes, I 
wondered if
>>>> it
>>>> would even work, me having to travel on the bus for field 
reporting.
>>>> I've asked the same question as my restaurant date. “How am I 
going to
>>>> be
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> journalist?” with patience, and persistence, I figured out the 
answers
>>>> with
>>>> trial and error and learning from my own past mistakes. If I would 
have
>>>> let
>>>> my own question offend me then I wouldn't have figured out the 
answer.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have HIV but I had to ask the above question in order to 
find
>>>> out
>>>> that you can't get HIV from a small exchange of saliva. I know now 
how
>>>> to
>>>> better do my job as a blind journalist because I had to find an 
answer.
>>>> I
>>>> couldn't let those two questions go unanswered. If I did, then how
>>>> blissful
>>>> would I be, ignorant about knowledge that would help someone else 
as
>>>> well
>>>>
>>>> as
>>>> me in the future.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think anyone should remain in the dark if I have an answer 
to a
>>>> question. Answers, with all their simplicity sprinkle awareness 
along
>>>> with
>>>> their validity. Not far behind awareness comes understanding, and 
soon,
>>>> acceptance. An answer to a seemingly offensive question doesn't 
just
>>>> satisfy
>>>> curiosity but it opens up a door to understand. There are a lot of
>>>> other
>>>> positive things behind that door even if they’re not visible
>>>> immediately.
>>>> Some effects are immediate, such as inclusion, and others are far 
off,
>>>> such
>>>> as advocacy born from awareness.
>>>>
>>>> When I look around and see a world that's divided as it is, I 
don’t
>>>> want
>>>> to
>>>> divide it even more just because someone asks me how I use a 
computer.
>>>> If
>>>> education breeds positive results then people who live in different
>>>> conditions should educate others how they do it. it's the only way 
to
>>>> end
>>>> these “offensive questions.”
>>>>
>>>> The goal of inclusion is to do just that, include. My sighted date
>>>> lives
>>>> in
>>>> an ethnic world I'll never completely understand because I've never
>>>> lived
>>>> through the discriminatory history but I can ask questions, and 
with
>>>> each
>>>> answer, I'm no longer on the outside anymore. We’re together.
>>>> With every answer I give about my adaptive life, we’re coming 
together
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>> a
>>>> way that offended people won’t be able to do for a very long time.
>>>> He understands me now and that's the most valuable education I 
could
>>>> ever
>>>> give.
>>>>
>>>> If people really want to have us unite to stand for a positive 
voice
>>>> then
>>>>
>>>> we
>>>> can't widen the distance because we’re offended at questions.
>>>> Instead, we should open our world to people and share as much as 
we
>>>> can,
>>>> if
>>>> asked. If we keep doing that I know that the door will open wide 
enough
>>>> to
>>>> let all of us through to a better world, a world where we all know 
each
>>>> other, stand for one another, and unite for equality and embrace 
the
>>>> best
>>>> teacher of all, differences. That would make a beautifully educated
>>>> world,
>>>> one where I’d be happy to say that this positive change was the 
result
>>>> of
>>>> answering offensive questions.
>>>>
>>>> /*See below for resume, writing links, social media links, and 
other
>>>> writing
>>>> archives */
>>>>
>>>> *Click here to view my resume*
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmy.indeed.com%2Fme%2Fking
ettresume%3Fsubfrom%3Dt>
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocumen
t%2Fpub%3Fid%3D1rASWYM_d-JajxmIKycBzVNgdwhJgUePAw1_IBFchglY>*
>>>>
>>>> *Click here to see my writing archive
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocumen
t%2Fpub%3Fid%3D1rASWYM_d-JajxmIKycBzVNgdwhJgUePAw1_IBFchglY>*
>>>>
>>>> *Click here to view my website/
>>>> / 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Frobertkingett.com%2F>*
>>>>
>>>> */
>>>> /*
>>>>
>>>> */writer for Chicago Theater Beat/ *
>>>> *Tel: 850 764 2161 *
>>>>
>>>> Facebook
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Frobert
kingett>
>>>> Twitter
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Ftheblindwri
ter>
>>>> LinkedIn
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fki
ngettr>
>>>> YouTube
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fuser%2Fk
ingettspeaks>
>>>> WordPress
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblindchicagodream.wordpres
s.com%2F>
>>>> Blog RSS
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdescribereview.wordpress.c
om%2Ffeed%2F>
>>>> My latest comedy review: ‘She Kills Monsters’: A Fun Game of Chance
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Famericascomedy.com%2Fshe-k
ills-monsters-a-fun-game-of-chanceshe-kills-monsters-theater-steppenwolf-
theater-company-play-comedy-chicago%2F>
>>>> My latest Audio Description review: Audio Description review: How 
Long
>>>> Will
>>>> I Cry? (play)
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdescribereview.wordpress.
com%2F2013%2F03%2F13%2Faudio-description-review-how-long-will-i-cry-play%
2F>
>>>> WordPress
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblindchicagodream.wordpres
s.com%2F>
>>>> My latest post in my blog:Just in case you missed it & other news
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblindchicagodream.wordpres
s.com%2F2013%2F05%2F25%2Fjust-in-case-you-missed-it-other-news%2F>
>>>>
>>>> Read more
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblindchicagodream.wordpres
s.com%2F2013%2F05%2F25%2Fjust-in-case-you-missed-it-other-news%2F>|
>>>> My blog
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblindchicagodream.wordpres
s.com%2F>
>>>> Share on Facebook
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fsharer.
php%3Fu%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fblindchicagodream.wordpress.com%252F2013%252
F05%252F25%252Fjust-in-case-you-missed-it-other-news%252F>
>>>>  Share on Twitter
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fintent%2Ftw
eet%3Ftext%3DJust%2520in%2520case%2520you%2520missed%2520it%2520%2526%252
0other%2520news%2520%2520%28via%2520%2540wisestamp%29>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Get this email app!
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Fapps%2
Fwordpress%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_term%3Dwor
dpress%26utm_campaign%3Dapps>
>>>>
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Fki
ngettr>
>>>> Designed with WiseStamp -
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr1.wisestamp.com%2Fr%2Flan
ding%3Fu%3D5ddbf9ed0c4ca423%26v%3D3.13.2%26t%3D1369460407891%26promo%3D10
%26dest%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.wisestamp.com%252Femail-install%253Futm_
source%253Dextension%2526utm_medium%253Demail%2526utm_campaign%253Dpromo_
10>Get
>>>> yours
>>>> 
<http://s.wisestamp.com/links?url=http%3A%2F%2Fr1.wisestamp.com%2Fr%2Flan
ding%3Fu%3D5ddbf9ed0c4ca423%26v%3D3.13.2%26t%3D1369460407891%26promo%3D10
%26dest%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.wisestamp.com%252Femail-install%253Futm_
source%253Dextension%2526utm_medium%253Demail%2526utm_campaign%253Dpromo_
10>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> 
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> 
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> 
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> 
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> 
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com