[nabs-l] Best techniques for group computer science projects

Tue Oct 29 03:39:09 UTC 2013

We have all already written all our code. We our working on personal
laptops not a school computer. The other student does zoom his is when
showing me a particular area which is great and works well. We are almost
all done but are meeting this week to finalize so all the code will be on
one computer and nwo will will see what issues have come up so we all need
to be looking at it to see where  things might need to be changed.

There is no presentation it is just the code.

I have taking many programming classes and worked in the field several
years ago as a programmer. So the hardest part about working this way is
not having a true feel of what is going on. I don't have my hands and eyes
on it to scan for what may need to be changed.

I mainly asked for future ideas since I have a feeling there will be many
more group programming projects before I am done.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Suzanne,
> Well, then, you have to write the code; no way around that. But is there
> another way to participate too?
> Perhaps, presenting it to the class or compiling a reference sheet for it?
> Also, most computers have a magnification option. Since you have so much
> vision, and say you can even see small print, why not enlarge the print on
> the regular screen the students use?
> I understand you want everything visible, but I don't think you can have
> everything given the constraints of your vision and working with a group.
> I like the idea of the Zoomtext bar; not being too familiar with zoomtext,
> I forgot about that.
>
>
> I don't think you should use a platform like Go to Meeting if other
> students want to sit together and work this out. I think you should work
> around them, not the other way around.
>
>
> Another option might be to simply do a smaller project yourself. I've
> occasionally done this with the permission of the instructor.
>
> I hope it works out.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:56 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Best techniques for group computer science projects
>
> It's a programming project so we are all responsible to write code for it.
>
> And the thing I dislike more than group projects is writing. I would really
> like to graduate without ever writing another paper! Give me hours of math
> and programming homework but no papers!
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
>  I agree with Arielle here.  I actually enjoy group work(unlike most
>> people I've met), and I think that the key to working with a good
>> group is dividing the work properly.  Perhaps you can be the writer
>> for the group, or maybe you can edit what the others come up with
>> while taking notes so that you can help along the way.  I don't know
>> the specifics of the project, but it would be good for you to
>> communicate clearly with your group that it would be good for everyone
>> to have specific goals.  This will help the entire project run more
>> smoothly.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/28/13, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Suzanne and all,
>> >
>> > I can understand why listening to a reader might not be optimal, but
>> > it sounds like trying to use your vision is not optimal either, which
>> > is why you are asking us for advice. In the end you will need to
>> > decide which method works better in which situation. A reader can
>> > filter the content down to the part you really need to know. Perhaps
>> > you can take notes while you are listening to the reader, or you could
>> > be writer for the group and type the code rather than having to read
>> > and inspect the code. There is no perfect solution here; the best one
>> > will depend on what it is you have to do. But I would encourage you to
>> > give some serious thought to nonvisual solutions.
>> > Best,
>> > Arielle
>> >
>> > On 10/28/13, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu> wrote:
>> >> Ugh I hate not having control over what I see. I do not do anything >>
>> with
>> >> a
>> >> reader so I pretty much am not used to listening and remembering and
>> >> working under those conditions. I want to scan the code and see what
>> >> needs
>> >> to be done no rely or trust someone else. I have so much usable vision
>> it
>> >> is very hard to get people to understand I can't see it on their
>> >> computer.
>> >> I write and read all my notes and not super huge. Larger than others
>> >> write
>> >> but nothing where people would automatically think I had a vision >>
>> issue.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:03 PM, christopher nusbaum <
>> >> dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In these situations I often ask one of my partners in the group to be
>> >>> a reader for me. If it is a group of two or more, this is most easily
>> >>> done by the person who is sitting closest to the computer. Based on my
>> >>> experience with these types of group projects, I must advise you to
>> >>> make sure you hold that reader accountable. Sometimes some group
>> >>> members can get off task, holding back the other members of the group.
>> >>> If you are relying on one member of the group to read you the
>> >>> information on the computer screen and that reader gets off task, you
>> >>> are at a loss. So, you might need to "mag" your reader if this is
>> >>> necessary.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope this helps,
>> >>>
>> >>> Chris Nusbaum
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>> > On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:59 PM, Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I have a group project in one of my computer science classes and
>> >>> > several
>> >>> > more to come before I finish the degree. Most sighted people sit
>> >>> > around
>> >>> one
>> >>> > computer and all look at the screen. I use ZoomText so no one likes
>> to
>> >>> look
>> >>> > at my screen since you lose so much view but obviously I can't see
>> >>> theirs.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > What techniques do you find work best for situations like this. It
>> >>> > is
>> >>> not a
>> >>> > situation that we could run dual monitors and mirror them with one
>> >>> > having
>> >>> > zoom text enlarged. I am also not super fond of that since what I
>> >>> > see
>> >>> > depends on where they have the mouse which may not be the area we
>> >>> > are
>> >>> > talking about.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thank you
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Suzanne
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