[nabs-l] problem with college cafe

[Jamie P.]

A simple solution to suggest to the authorities involved, that would NOT
require any person to go pushing in all the chairs or penalizing people who
forget to do so, would be to ask if tables might be re-arranged slightly to
allow for one wide isle that cuts through the cafe from the food lines to
the exits. The isle should be wide enough so that if chairs are left out,
there is enough space to maneuver around them. This will also benefit other
students who may use wheelchairs, have temporary injuries requiring
crutches, and even custodial staff who are pushing utility carts.

-Jamie


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>wrote:

> Hello Nathan and everyone,
>
>     From the description of your situation it sounds to me that using a
> cane
> or a dog would do wonders to improve your navigation of this environment so
> DSS and security can deal with bigger fish on campus. My wife and I travel
> in similar environments and don't let chairs sticking out everywhere ruin
> our day.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe
>
>
> Nathan,
> Without seeing the environment, I'm not going to judge that situation.
> I might have dropped it, but I'm not the one with the hastle.
> Like you, I hate noisy places at lunch time and dislike the annoying
> chairs.
>
> We have a café at the community college too, but there are not too many
> tables and if chairs are in the way, I have room to navigate around them.
> Is this a small sandwich café? Do you have to carry a tray or is your stuff
> in a bag? We only have trays at the cafeteria and for the cafe
> they put your items in containers and I think they have bags if you ask for
> that. Otherwise you just take the items to your table or whereever you are
> going to eat. I haven't found this much a problem. When I was at george
> mason university, GMU, at the café they assisted me to a table within the
> café, but I don't think all chairs were hanging out, although I recall some
> were.
>
>
> I'm not sure they can enforce something like this. I'd ask them to put
> signs
> up for students to  push in their chairs. It amazes me how students can
> leave a mess, like crumbs, on the table, and not push in chairs. Its common
> curtesy!
> It could be a tripping hazzard. I think the school can certainly request
> students take action, but I see no way to enforce it. I would not expect a
> security officer to stand and patrol the café and give out warnings or
> something for failing to push in chairs.
> I mean, they cannot monitor it.
>
> See what happens in the meeting and in the next few weeks. Otherwise, if
> the
> problem isn't solved, you might try and get sighted assistance to find a
> table. I also think carrying items in a to go bag will make
> it easier to carry your items to a table.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Clark
> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 1:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] problem with college cafe
>
> Dear Nabs,
> My name is Nathan Clark and I am one of the quieter people on this
> list but I have a situation that I have at my community college where
> I would like to have some opinions fro you all. about.
>
> Today as I was walking into my school's café I discovered that almost
> every table that I came upon had chairs that were sticking ot where
> people had been sitting in and forgot to push their chairs in. My
> school had a room off the café where students can eat their lunch in a
> more quieter environment which is where I usually eat my lunch and
> that is where I wanted to eat today. However, after struggling with
> navigating through the chairs that were not pushed in I just gave up
> and sat a different bale and had my lunch. After eating, I went to my
> school's Secutrity department and expressed my concerns with them. The
> lady who I talked to is named Sharon and she is not a security guard
> but the secretary for the department. She knows me very well and she
> knows from previous semesters that I have encountered this problem
> before with the café. She helped me schedule an appointment with the
> Assistant Chieef of Security on Tuesday.
>
> My question for you all is should I have scheduled the meeting or just
> dropped the problem. What could be some solutions that I could bring
> up to my meeting with the Assistant Chief for Tuesday? If you were
> wondering I forgot to say that I talked to my DSS office and they said
> that they would work with the Secutiry department to solve this
> problem.
>
> I would like to hear what people have to say and wondering if this has
> happened to other people on the list?
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
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