[nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others

Tue Dec 16 03:35:54 UTC 2014

Joshua,

I agree. While I never had issues ordering recorded texts,
since my TVI taught me that, I did rely on dss for accessible handouts at 
the beginning.
As I got more comfortable with technology and scanners, I relied less on 
them for that.

I think DSS should be used in moderation as lilly said.
I also feel its in the amount of inaccessible things. For instance, I think 
a blind student can and should scan small handouts themselves if they are 
not accessible already via the professor's emailing them.
But if its major readings like 20 plus pages, I think it may be reasonable 
for dss to do it. I say this because its time consuming to scan and scan and 
if you let dss do it, they can edit for you.
So, its all an individual thing.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:14 PM
To: Lillie Pennington ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others

Lily. I agree with you.  When I was first in college, I really didn't
know all that much, about getting textbooks and the best way to get
handouts.  At first, I visited my DSS office quite frequently to get
handouts, or textbooks on mp3 cd.  But as the years went on, I learned
how to use the computer better, and how to get some books from
learning ally which meant I didn't have to use the DSS office as
often.  I always felt that my DSS office did a very nice job helping
me in my early college years.  I'm very greatful my college had a
tutoring center where I could go to get tutoring in classes especially
math.  Math is the reason why it took me so long to get my associates
degree.  Geometry was not fun.  It took me four hours to complete the
geometry final.  Good luck all in your persuing of your high school,
or college careers.  I wish more blind people would go to college.  I
know a couple people who don't go to college.

On 12/15/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I personally would not trust myself to honestly to do a take-home exam.
> Also, as has been pointed out previously, family support is not as
> accessible in some cases, for example, where there is a complete lack of
> support, or if a student lives farther away from home, like I am planning.
> While I agree that disability services should not hold her hands for us 
> and
> do everything, I do not think that they should be completely dismissed. I
> think, if used in moderation, and effectively, the DSS office can be a
> valuable tool for success.
> Granted, I do not have experience with disability services offices 
> directly
> because I am a junior in high school still. However, from stories I have
> heard on here, and other stories I have heard through friends, I have 
> formed
> my own opinion.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> As someone who is going to become a college professor, I would never 
>> allow
>> a student to take a test unproctored.  I've had professors offer to let 
>> me
>> do that, and once or twice I have just out of convenience, but I have too
>> many blind friends who use their blindness as an excuse to take tests on
>> their notetakers or worse yet at home so they can cheat by looking at the
>> book and their notes.  The level of cheating that goes on in DSS offices
>> is horrifying (I know, I've worked there) without even getting into 
>> giving
>> blind people the chance to take in class exams as takehomes.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
>> BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:28:37 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>
>> Hello Gerardo:
>>    First, I’d like to say that your experience is admirable and 
>> definitely
>> worthwhile and one that ought to be heard; after all, as you pointed out,
>> a large majority of blind individuals belief or seem to believe: if there
>> is no disability service, then failure is inevitable.
>>    With that said, however, I must point out a few things which are
>> necessary, in order for something like your story to work successfully.
>> 1)    A student must have family support. In some cases, especially when
>> an individual is not an only child, family members may not always be able
>> or willing to assist a student to the degree which is necessary (I.E.
>> reading papers, recording books etc.). If there is zero family support,
>> the chance of success is exponentially decreases, for both sited folks 
>> and
>> blind.
>> 2)    A student must have professor(s) trust. I also have had occasions
>> where professors have given me the exam to take home or to do away from 
>> my
>> disability center. In my case, it was either because the professor did 
>> not
>> want to deal with the Disability services office or they did not trust 
>> the
>> disability services office (professors are interesting creatures). In
>> either case, if a professor gives you the exam like this, they have to
>> trust that you will not cheat in some way shape or form. Many students, 
>> if
>> they do not advocate well, never reach this level of trust with their
>> instructors.
>> 3)    Technology rocks, that is, if you manage to get your hands on
>> technology which can help you succeed, then you may not need a disability
>> center; however, most students don’t have the technology, which you
>> stated, so most need the DSS in order to succeed in this case.
>> Of course, there are other ways for individuals to do things without the
>> disability services getting involved; for instance, I always request my
>> books from bookshare, so I don’t have to worry about the disability 
>> center
>> not getting them to me on time. I think though, the key fact is that the
>> disability center provides students with a safety blanket. You don’t have
>> to advocate as much nor do you have to stress as much. If you go through 
>> a
>> disability services center, then nine times out of ten they assist you in
>> shouldering your burden. This, for a lot of people, can and probably 
>> does,
>> act as relief.
>>    I hope I addressed your concerns adequately.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Gerardo Corripio 
>> via
>> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 1:57 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] One can live without disability services and others
>>
>> HI guys
>> It's interesting how you've guys talked about how the world comes
>> crashing down when the Disability service in the college doesn't Braille
>> out tests, make books available etc., so I wonder how do you think I
>> managed in a country where disability services aren't heard of or known?
>> By talking with the teachers, suggesting techniques for instance at
>> first, they allowed me to take the tests home, and have my parents read
>> me the tests and i'd answer on the computer and print them out, turning
>> them to the teachers the next day as if it were homework; as the
>> semesters wore on, the teachers graduated to seeing them in the
>> classroom in a time when my classmates were out eating lunch or other
>> activities, and orally test me; another time, I installed Jaws on the
>> college's computer and I'd go and take the test there with the teacher
>> in that she'd read me the questions, and I'd type in the answers,
>> printing it out afterwards, generally before my classmates took the test
>> in the classroom, but can you believe when the tech guys did computer
>> maintainance, they erased my copy of Jaws?
>> Books and other written assignments? During the first semester or so, my
>> parents mostly, but also from time to time other family members,
>> recorded the chapters on cassettes, to which I'd listen, and take notes
>> on an old Toshiba Laptop running Keysoft my parents had bought while in
>> the States; as the second semester ended, however, I guess I was lucky
>> because the university donated for my use, a PC with kurzweil1000 and a
>> scanner, to which I afterwards put on Jaws and did all my assignments on
>> there; they also donated me a NoteTaker, the Braille Lite 2000 for
>> taking notes etc; as I say again, maybe it was luck, because I've
>> contacted other college students, and they only dream of having these
>> technologies! I guess it's one of the advantages of having gone to a
>> private college, and not a public university? So there you have it;
>> perseverance/determination, wins! Also support from family mostly, and
>> teachers, except for those who dinde'didn't believe in my abilities and
>> made the semester a nightmare! So what do you guys think? are these
>> experiences worthwhile?
>>
>> --
>> Enviado desde mi lap
>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
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>>
>>
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