[nabs-l] class notes

justin williams justin.williams2 at gmail.com
Thu Feb 27 03:08:40 UTC 2014 

Everyone has to get their notes the best way they no how.  Trying to use
someone elses methods or be super blind will result in a failing grade.
Maybe there are certain flaws that are necessary to work out before getting
a job, but many of the folks here are just learning how to spread their
wings.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:20 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National
Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes

Good afternoon, Arielle,

         Why are you jumping on Minh when, hopefully you know that Minh I'm
sure, would take his own notes should it make the most sense to do so I.E
meet his needs. I think i saw somewhere that, material that is not accounted
for, here upon the verbal plane, such as spellings and graphics need to be
accessable to blind people. And, don't you know, whatever works best for the
person?
for today, Car
408-209-3239


>Hi Minh,
>When you say you need a notetaker because college is fast-paced, what 
>does this really have to do with blindness? Why is it that a sighted 
>notetaker can keep up better than you can? Or would you consider having 
>another blind person be your notetaker?
>Is it that the sighted notetaker is copying stuff that stays up on the 
>projector after it's been verbalized? Or is there something about the 
>equipment you use that is slower than handwriting?
>I'm not trying to offend, just trying to better understand the situation.
>
>Arielle
>
>On 2/26/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I honestly don't like it when people say students "should" or 
> > "should not" do something. I recognize that I am an individual and 
> > my learning styles differ from that of other students and I am in no 
> > place to judge others on the methods that they use to succeed. I'm 
> > sure that there are blind students out there who only use note 
> > takers for taking notes and still excel in their classes. 
> > Personally, I take my own notes, but there are classes that I need 
> > someone else to take notes for me such as foreign language and math 
> > because college is so fast paced that if I were to take my own notes 
> > in these classes, I would miss a ton of information. So I think 
> > students need to figure out what works for them and stick to that, 
> > instead of doing what works for someone else.
> >
> > Minh
> >
> > On 2/26/14, Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I think there's a fair amount of research showing that people 
> >> remember things more when we actually write them down and in my own 
> >> life at least that seems to be very true. Therefore, one of the 
> >> main things that makes notes most valuable is the actual act of 
> >> writing. That being the case, it kind of boggles my mind how people 
> >> who ostensibly want us to be academically successful Will, by 
> >> paying people to pay attention for us, deprive us of one of the 
> >> most effective means of facilitating that success. Of course I can 
> >> see how there could be some specific exceptions, perhaps with 
> >> attention disorders and learning disabilities, but I think, for 
> >> most of us, taking our own notes gives us the best chance to 
> >> succeed.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:56 PM, haley sumner 
> >>> <haleysumner at sbcglobal.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hey everyone,
> >>> I am a junior in high school, and I, like the others, always take 
> >>> notes during my teachers' lectures. Often, my teachers will send 
> >>> me their powerpoint or outline that is being projected on the 
> >>> screen for the other students to see, so I will be able to follow 
> >>> along similar to my classmates. If the teacher mentions something 
> >>> that is not included in the outline or PowerPoint, I will add this 
> >>> information as needed. Like Sophie said, taking notes definitely 
> >>> keeps me focused, for if I didn't do this, I would easily get 
> >>> distracted and space off.
> >>> HTH, :)
> >>> Haley
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 2:36 PM PST Sophie Trist wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I, too, take my notes using a braillenote. Someone said earlier 
> >>>> that taking notes distracts them from a lecture. For me, the 
> >>>> opposite is true.
> >>>> Taking notes keeps me focused. If I don't take notes, I sometimes 
> >>>> space off and miss part of the lesson. What I do is, I take notes 
> >>>> based on the teacher's lecture. Then, I read the chapter to 
> >>>> reinforce the notes and cement my understanding of concepts I'm 
> >>>> having trouble with.
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com
> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 16:19:23 -0500
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] class notes
> >>>>
> >>>> I am also a high school student and I take my own notes using a 
> >>>> laptop. I believe that students should take their own notes as 
> >>>> much as possible in order to develop the optimal understanding of a
lesson.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2/26/14, Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net> wrote:
> >>>> I'm in high school, but thought I would comment. Accept for math 
> >>>> where my notes are brailled, I type my notes. If the teacher has 
> >>>> an outline posted, I will use that. I was taught that having my 
> >>>> notes done any other way was completely unacceptable.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Steve Jacobson" 
> >>>> <steve.jacobson at visi.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry, I cannot help commenting even though I have not been a 
> >>>> student in a while.  We don't always know what other disabilities 
> >>>> someone may have that might affect their abilities to, for 
> >>>> example, multi-task, but learning to take notes is a skill that 
> >>>> will benefit one for their entire lives on the job.
> >>>> One just isn't always going to have a scribe to take notes.  My 
> >>>> guess is that for at least a while, it is not easy for sighted 
> >>>> people to take notes and concentrate on lectures, either, but it 
> >>>> is an ability that can be developed in most cases.  Having 
> >>>> someone else take notes just means that one will need to develop 
> >>>> this skill later, when getting your job done might be on the line 
> >>>> rather than a grade.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Jacobson
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 26 Feb 2014 15:10:21 -0500, justin williams wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Except for a few instances, I have always taken my own notes; 
> >>>> maybe 99 percent of the time. That includes right now.  I use a 
> >>>> lap top, but I have used a notetaker in the past.  Hand written 
> >>>> notes must be typed in to a computer for you to do anything with 
> >>>> them; probably in Microsoft word.
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> >>>> Kierra Davis
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 2:06 PM
> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] class notes
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Kierra Davis
> >>>> Hello All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Just a quick question.
> >>>>
> >>>> I want to know how do you get notes for your classes? Do you take 
> >>>> them yourself? Do you have a note taker? Does the school pay 
> >>>> them, or are they doing it out of kindness? If they are 
> >>>> handwriting the notes, how do you get them into a format you can 
> >>>> access?
> >>>>
> >>>> I know this is more than one question, but I just want to know 
> >>>> how others are handling this situation.
> >>>>
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