[nabs-l] public versus private universities

Sophie Trist sweetpeareader at gmail.com
Thu Jan 16 12:50:01 UTC 2014


Thanks for all the advice that's been given. It's very helpful. 
Disability services is not my top priority for a school, but I've 
heard horror stories about people having to fight for every 
little accomodation. I want to spend most of my time actually 
learning stuff, not fighting for what I need.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "melissa Green" <lissa1531 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:23:26 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities

Arielle has given some very good advice.
I have attended a private school and a public one.
There were some things that I had to figure out my self on the 
private
school's campus.
I didn't mind it because it also prepared me for when I started 
at the
public university.
Some private schools are under the impression that they don't 
have to follow
any laws or provide acomodations because they are a private 
school.
That was my experience anyway.
Good luck.

Blessings and best wishes,
Melissa R. Green and Pj
"We love because he first loved us."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities


Hi Sophie,

I would recommend judging colleges based on factors like how good 
the
curriculum is and how friendly people are at the school, and to 
put
disability services lower on your list of criteria for judging
schools. Some schools will have more disability resources than 
others,
but sometimes, a school with less resources may be more 
open-minded
and flexible when working with you as an individual student, 
while
some schools with big disability offices may be more rigid about 
how
they treat blind students and less willing to work with you as an
individual. I attended a large public university with a 
well-staffed
disability office, and while this had its advantages, I also 
found
that the staff at the disability office wanted to do everything a
certain way, were somewhat custodial, and gave me little 
opportunity
to negotiate with individual professors. I have talked with blind
students who attended schools with no disability office at all or 
just
a small one, and who had excellent experiences arranging their 
own
accommodations, using readers and publicly available services 
like
BookShare, Learning Ally etc. They felt more in control of their
accommodations and, as a bonus, got really accustomed to 
advocating
for themselves early on, which is important for employment. It's 
a
little like how sometimes, the teachers who have never had a 
blind
student in their class before are better to work with than the 
ones
who have had someone blind in the past, because the former 
teachers
will listen to how you want them to do things, while sometimes 
the
latter will tend to compare you with other blind students or 
assume
you have the same preferences and limitations that they had.
So I would encourage you to pick a school that's the best fit for 
your
career goals, and worry about the disability accommodation stuff
later. No matter where you go, there are resources that you will 
be
able to use to get access to your materials.

Best,
Arielle

On 1/15/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
 Sophie,

 It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of 
resources
 they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even
 though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually 
impaired
 student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell 
them
 exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the 
colleges
 you are interested in and talk to the disability services 
office; 9
 times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can 
and
 cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't 
think
 we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely 
on the
 support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we 
need
 to consider because it can make or break our academic 
experience, but
 it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know 
when I
 was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I 
knew
 it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the
 disability services office. If you want to go to a school but 
the DSO
 is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to
 advocate for yourself and your needs.

 Cheers,
 Minh

 On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net> wrote:
 Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you 
go. That
 may determine if you think it is the right fit.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett"
 <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

 Sophie,
 No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you 
should
 visit
 schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the 
disability
 office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, 
they
 might
 be able to do it, even if they have not before.

 It is generally true that private schools have smaller 
disability
 service,
 ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less 
students to
 serve.
 They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's 
where
 advocacy
 comes in.

 Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are 
great
 schools.
 I wouldn't prejudge  services too much. Don't be discourage what 
one
 professor said.

 I went to  a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of 
george
 mason university, GMU. GMU is public.
 I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, 
small
 campus,
 upholding my religious values, no not  catholic but do agree 
with some
 principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities.
 Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get
 professors,
 not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have 
grad
 students teach some classes.

 Good luck with your decision.
 Ashley

 -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM
 To: nabs
 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities

 Greetings,

 I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look
 for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking
 about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned
 Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. 
My
 friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private
 New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind
 people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good 
as
 protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in
 general that private universities' disability services weren't 
as
 great as those of public universities. I know this is true for
 post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide
 braille and technology than are private schools--so I was
 wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a 
list
 that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we
 visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that
 those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was
 wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for 
this
 information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and
 appreciated!

 Yours sincerely,
 Sophie Trist

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