[nabs-l] small colleges
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> 1. accessible automated testing tools visual studio community
> 2015 (Marvin Hunkin)
> 2. Re: Good Luck attending Washington Seminar (Roanna Bacchus)
> 3. Re: Good Luck attending Washington Seminar (Chris Nusbaum)
> 4. Focus 40 Blue: Selecting text in iOS? (Leye-Shprintse ?berg)
> 5. Re: Efficiency and Productivity (Steve Jacobson)
> 6. Questions About the Master Student Email List (Elizabeth Mohnke)
> 7. Re: Questions About the Master Student Email List
> (Mikayla Gephart)
> 8. Re: Efficiency and Productivity (Carly Mihalakis)
> 9. Small colleges (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
> 10. Re: Questions About the Master Student Email List (Joseph Hudson)
> 11. Re: Small colleges (josh lester)
> 12. Re: Small colleges (Kaley Jemison)
> 13. Acting as a reference/boundaries (Kaiti Shelton)
> 14. Re: Small colleges (Kaiti Shelton)
> 15. Re: Acting as a reference/boundaries (pnwthorsen at aol.com)
> 16. Re: [humanser] Acting as a reference/boundaries (Carly Mihalakis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:35:21 +1030
> From: "Marvin Hunkin" <startrekcafe at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible automated testing tools visual studio
> community 2015
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> Hi. Using jaws 17, and visual studio community 2015. Doing a diploma it
> course, but, wondering, tried Microsoft test server, but not very
> accessible. So, need to run automated tests for a subject, intro to
> object orientated programming c #, and using windows 10 64 bit pro. And now,
> was wondering, what more accessible testing tools, have you used to do
> automated testing for visual studio, c # projects. Any ideas. Doing this
> course from http://www.upskilled.edu.au, and waiting to see if my lectuer
> has a free copy of visual studio pro 2015 or ultimate. But in the mean time,
> tried googling, and trawling through about 10 or more pages as I write. So
> tapping your minds, any ideas. And also using http://www.pluralsite.com,
> which is part of upskilled, video training, but can read the transcript in
> the browser. If I click on a link, the video starts playing. More accessible
> then http://www.lynda.com, and they are redesigning the site for blind
> people. I am on the accessibility beta team, and will test with four
> browsers. So this will be a 12 month project, as they got purchased by
> http://www.linkedin.com.
>
> Any ideas, or any one in the same situation. Do not have a credit card, and
> now, using the free community visual studio 2015 32 bit, but no testing
> options, in the video, says to click on the solution for the test project,
> click on window, then click on test manager. Unless I need the pro version
> of visual studio. Any ideas.
>
> Marvin.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 09:50:23 -0500
> From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Good Luck attending Washington Seminar
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> I would also like to wish everyone a wonderful Washington Seminar
> in 2016. I hope that all of our bills get passed.
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:05:44 -0500
> From: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Good Luck attending Washington Seminar
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> Thanks to all who are supporting our efforts from home. We'll miss you in Washington, and we hope that you'll be able to join us next year. In the meantime, keep in mind that you can still contribute to our work in Washington even if you're not joining us there. During this time of concentrated advocacy for blind students, I would encourage you to call, write to, and tweet your representatives, encouraging them to cosponsor the bills which are of most importance to us. Also, be sure to sign our We the People petition and spread the word about it far and wide so your friends will sign it too. Thanks for all you do?keep up the great work!
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> I would also like to wish everyone a wonderful Washington Seminar in 2016. I hope that all of our bills get passed.
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:49:05 +0100
> From: Leye-Shprintse ?berg <leyeshprintse at ymail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Blue: Selecting text in iOS?
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> BS'D
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> Hi,
>
> I got a Focus 40 Blue display today and I wonder if there's a braille shortcut for selecting texts in documents and on websites etc.? It would be neat!
>
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse ?berg
> Su?de
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoy? de mon iPhone
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:12:50 -0600
> From: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
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> I would like to urge some caution when considering the role of one's output
> on the job. While it is true that one's personal value consists of more
> than one's efficiency and output, those are part of one's personal value.
> An employer is not going to be happy with you if you consistently miss
> deadlines. Some employers might cut you some slack if they see improvement,
> and certainly nobody is as efficient when they start a job than they will
> become later, blind or sighted. There is a balance between being so hard on
> yourself for not being able to do things as efficiently as a sighted
> co-worker and ignoring efficiency completely. The phrase "Working at your
> own pace" can mean different things to different people. Believe me,
> sighted people in today's jobs feel pressure to work faster than they are
> comfortable working, too. I see my sighted co-workers working evenings very
> often. If one sees an area in which one just can't gain the efficiency one
> might like, one has to look for other areas where one can offset that lack
> of efficiency, or sometimes being willing to work longer hours.
>
> I don't claim there are magic answers, and I certainly do not claim that I
> am as efficient in every area as my sighted co-workers because I know I am
> not. What I am trying to convey is that one also can't just work at one's
> own pace thinking that the attitude is enough, either, one has to think
> about one's efficiency and how it can be improved most effectively. Also,
> there are jobs where output is most of the measure of one's value,
> particularly in call center jobs, whether we like it or not. One has to be
> aware of the importance of efficiency and output in their particular
> situation. We can't assume in the long run that the ADA will guarantee us
> the same pay if we are actually doing less.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:49 PM
> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>; National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; Rahul Bajaj
> <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
>
> Evening, everyone,
>
> Want to echo what Derek said, One's personal value ought not be
> defined by how fast, or how much output he produces on the job.
> Car128/22/2014, Derek Manners via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello, I can definitely understand how you feel. I think there are
>> three things I'd keep in mind.
>>
>> 1. Any new job takes time to get in a rhythm where you are getting
>> things done quickly.
>> 2. Practice makes perfect, just as any job takes time to learn, so
>> does using assistive tech.
>> 3. It's perfectly fine work at your own pace. Your goal should be to
>> do the best you can under the circumstances and just look for ways
>> to do better. I work faster/hard than some of my sighted colleagues
>> and I work slower/less hard than others. The main thing employers
>> want to see is improvement and a good attitude.
>>
>> Best
>> Derek
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I often find it hard to maintain the same level of productivity
>> as my sighted colleagues. I guess this can primarily be attributed
>> to the fact that I have so far been merely a casual user of
>> assistive technology which is perhaps why I am not able to use it
>> as expeditiously as I should be able to in a professional setting.
>>> That being said, my uniform experience has taught me that jaws is
>> often unresponsive and unreliable. This makes it virtually
>> impossible to work with the same level of efficiency as a sighted person.
>>> Most blind students get double the time that their sighted
>> counterparts get for writing exams. However, this is not really a
>> feasible option in the private sector where you are not only
>> required to do your work well but are also expected to complete
>> your tasks expeditiously.
>>> My inability to meet the latter requirement has often been a
>> source of frustration for me during my internships. My employers
>> have never raised any objections about my inability to complete the
>> same amount of work as my sighted counterparts within a given time
>> period. I guess this is reflective of the low expectations that
>> society has from blind people.
>>> Be that as it may, this has greatly reduced my job satisfaction
>> and has been a major cause of concern.
>>> I'd like to know what you guys think about this. Has anyone here
>> had a similar experience?
>>> What strategies would you recommend for effectively grappling
>> with this challenge?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:18:25 -0500
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
> Message-ID: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40 at phx.gbl>
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> Hello All,
>
> Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
> for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
> to contact in regards to this issue.
>
> It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
> master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
> presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
> also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
> information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
> quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
> list.
>
> Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
> I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
> master email list be sent to this email list as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:48:18 -0500
> From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
> Message-ID: <CC12DB37-4C8A-437B-84E2-84AD24363928 at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I am having the same problec.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
>> for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
>> to contact in regards to this issue.
>>
>> It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
>> master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
>> presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
>> also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
>> information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
>> quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
>> list.
>>
>> Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
>> I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
>> master email list be sent to this email list as well.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:01:15 -0800
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, "'National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
> Message-ID: <mailman.12.1453550402.8071.nabs-l_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Afternoon, Steve,
>
> Perhaps this is why we must considder the output one can contribute
> upon endeavoring a given job. If you don't like to work under
> pressure, don't take a call center or other demanding position.
> This may require that you learn a little something about the position
> first before endeavoring to give it your all?
> Carone's personal value consists of more
>> than one's efficiency and output, those are part of one's personal value.
>> An employer is not going to be happy with you if you consistently miss
>> deadlines. Some employers might cut you some slack if they see improvement,
>> and certainly nobody is as efficient when they start a job than they will
>> become later, blind or sighted. There is a balance between being so hard on
>> yourself for not being able to do things as efficiently as a sighted
>> co-worker and ignoring efficiency completely. The phrase "Working at your
>> own pace" can mean different things to different people. Believe me,
>> sighted people in today's jobs feel pressure to work faster than they are
>> comfortable working, too. I see my sighted co-workers working evenings very
>> often. If one sees an area in which one just can't gain the efficiency one
>> might like, one has to look for other areas where one can offset that lack
>> of efficiency, or sometimes being willing to work longer hours.
>>
>> I don't claim there are magic answers, and I certainly do not claim that I
>> am as efficient in every area as my sighted co-workers because I know I am
>> not. What I am trying to convey is that one also can't just work at one's
>> own pace thinking that the attitude is enough, either, one has to think
>> about one's efficiency and how it can be improved most effectively. Also,
>> there are jobs where output is most of the measure of one's value,
>> particularly in call center jobs, whether we like it or not. One has to be
>> aware of the importance of efficiency and output in their particular
>> situation. We can't assume in the long run that the ADA will guarantee us
>> the same pay if we are actually doing less.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:49 PM
>> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>; National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; Rahul Bajaj
>> <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
>>
>> Evening, everyone,
>>
>> Want to echo what Derek said, One's personal value ought not be
>> defined by how fast, or how much output he produces on the job.
>> Car128/22/2014, Derek Manners via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hello, I can definitely understand how you feel. I think there are
>>> three things I'd keep in mind.
>>>
>>> 1. Any new job takes time to get in a rhythm where you are getting
>>> things done quickly.
>>> 2. Practice makes perfect, just as any job takes time to learn, so
>>> does using assistive tech.
>>> 3. It's perfectly fine work at your own pace. Your goal should be to
>>> do the best you can under the circumstances and just look for ways
>>> to do better. I work faster/hard than some of my sighted colleagues
>>> and I work slower/less hard than others. The main thing employers
>>> want to see is improvement and a good attitude.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Derek
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I often find it hard to maintain the same level of productivity
>>> as my sighted colleagues. I guess this can primarily be attributed
>>> to the fact that I have so far been merely a casual user of
>>> assistive technology which is perhaps why I am not able to use it
>>> as expeditiously as I should be able to in a professional setting.
>>>> That being said, my uniform experience has taught me that jaws is
>>> often unresponsive and unreliable. This makes it virtually
>>> impossible to work with the same level of efficiency as a sighted person.
>>>> Most blind students get double the time that their sighted
>>> counterparts get for writing exams. However, this is not really a
>>> feasible option in the private sector where you are not only
>>> required to do your work well but are also expected to complete
>>> your tasks expeditiously.
>>>> My inability to meet the latter requirement has often been a
>>> source of frustration for me during my internships. My employers
>>> have never raised any objections about my inability to complete the
>>> same amount of work as my sighted counterparts within a given time
>>> period. I guess this is reflective of the low expectations that
>>> society has from blind people.
>>>> Be that as it may, this has greatly reduced my job satisfaction
>>> and has been a major cause of concern.
>>>> I'd like to know what you guys think about this. Has anyone here
>>> had a similar experience?
>>>> What strategies would you recommend for effectively grappling
>>> with this challenge?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dmanners%40jd16.law.harv
>> ard.edu
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:51:02 -0600
> From: martinezana770 at gmail.com
> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Small colleges
> Message-ID: <06D7FB19-1DDD-4913-A392-F867BED16B3C at gmail.com>
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> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of you enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>
> Sent from my Iphone
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:28:55 +0000
> From: Joseph Hudson <jhud7789 at outlook.com>
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> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
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> Hello, I haven't received anything from that list in a while and I'll about a month or so. Hopefully David, will shed some light on this email list.
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> On Jan 22, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
> for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
> to contact in regards to this issue.
>
> It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
> master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
> presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
> also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
> information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
> quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
> list.
>
> Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
> I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
> master email list be sent to this email list as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:32:37 -0600
> From: josh lester <jlestermusic at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Small colleges
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> Hi Anna.
> I was in a small college, and it was okay for the most part.
> The DSS people didn't know what to do with me as a blind person at
> first, but we worked through trial and error, and it ended up working
> fine.
> Needless to say though, it took me five years just to get a two year degree.
> Thanks
>
>> On 1/22/16, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of you
>> enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of
>> positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative
>> things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>>
>> Sent from my Iphone
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:14:34 -0500
> From: Kaley Jemison <kcj21 at bellsouth.net>
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> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Small colleges
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> I too went to a small college in Florida. Although my office of students with disabilities always had a new counselor every year they really worked hard and help me get everything accessible. Small colleges have a nice community feeling everyone gets to know you and you become familiar with everyone at least by name however they don't always have the amenities of larger colleges
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 7:32 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Anna.
>> I was in a small college, and it was okay for the most part.
>> The DSS people didn't know what to do with me as a blind person at
>> first, but we worked through trial and error, and it ended up working
>> fine.
>> Needless to say though, it took me five years just to get a two year degree.
>> Thanks
>>
>>> On 1/22/16, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of you
>>> enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of
>>> positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative
>>> things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sent from my Iphone
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>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
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> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:18:23 -0500
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
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> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, "humanser at nfbnet.org" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Acting as a reference/boundaries
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> Hi all,
>
> First, please excuse me if sending to either of these list is out of
> place. I'm not exactly sure where to go for advice on this as it
> doesn't strike me as a typical issue for a student to have.
>
> I have been involved with an agency for the blind in my hometown for a
> very long time, first as a client and later as a volunteer while I was
> in high school. I still keep in touch with the music therapists who
> work there as they have been great mentors and role models for me. I
> am in the process of composing an email to check in to them, and was
> wondering if I should mention that someone I know is applying for a
> job there. I wouldn't normally mention it since they are going for a
> general office position, but this person knows how to use technology
> to produce braille music and I've always seen quality work from them.
> This would be a great resource to the music program as they have the
> technology and have been looking for someone with the know-how to use
> it for years. It also is more in lign with hthis person's degree, but
> I have already agreed to serve as a reference if references are
> needed. Would I be overstepping my bounds in mentioning them in the
> most annonymous way possible (like I am referring to them in this
> message) to current employees? I would not want to jeopardize their
> chances of getting the job, but as I have never served as an official
> reference before I don't know if this is harmless or something that
> could boost the chances, or if I should just mention it if I am called
> by HR.
>
> Any advice on this would be appreciated.
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:28:21 -0500
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Small colleges
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> Hi,
>
> I go to what I would consider to be a mid-sized college. You can walk
> across campus in about 15 minutes, and there are about 8,000-something
> undergraduates. It still has a community feel to it and class sizes
> with the exception of things like introductory psychology lectures are
> kept around 30-40 students max. A lot of the classes for my major
> field of study have 20 students or less in them. It is just big
> enough to have options for housing, extra clubs and activities, and
> always new people to meet, but it isn't so huge that I feel like I'm
> just a number. My DS office has been really good about working with
> me the whole time even though I am the only fluent braille reader and
> screenreader user on campus.
>
> I personally am not a fan of huge colleges that take forever to walk
> across or who have thousands upon thousands of students, but I'd
> encourage you to give the slightly bigger colleges a chance as well.
> It's also important to consider what class sizes you are comfortable
> with, what housing you'd like to have/can afford, and how you're going
> to get around campus. One thing to also consider is that college is
> your time to grow after high school, and for some people that might
> mean wanting more options. I don't think I would have liked the tiny
> school I looked at because for a few reasons it felt like a slightly
> bigger version of my high school, but then again my high school had a
> fairly large student body with 2,200 students whereas some high
> schools barely have 100 or fewer students in each graduating class.
> Size is relative, which is why I think defining what exactly you mean
> by "small college" would be helpful.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>> On 1/22/16, Kaley Jemison via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I too went to a small college in Florida. Although my office of students
>> with disabilities always had a new counselor every year they really worked
>> hard and help me get everything accessible. Small colleges have a nice
>> community feeling everyone gets to know you and you become familiar with
>> everyone at least by name however they don't always have the amenities of
>> larger colleges
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 7:32 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Anna.
>>> I was in a small college, and it was okay for the most part.
>>> The DSS people didn't know what to do with me as a blind person at
>>> first, but we worked through trial and error, and it ended up working
>>> fine.
>>> Needless to say though, it took me five years just to get a two year
>>> degree.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>> On 1/22/16, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of
>>>> you
>>>> enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of
>>>> positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative
>>>> things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Iphone
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joshua Lester
>>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>>
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> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:37:12 -0500
> From: "pnwthorsen at aol.com" <pnwthorsen at aol.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Acting as a reference/boundaries
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>
> Kaiti, I think it is very appropriate if you know someone well enough at the agency that you could mention your support and recommendation for this qualified person. You can do this even if you are not asked to give the reference. Most often it really is a help to the applicant if someone can "talk" to someone in the office and let them know this is a good candidate. You can still be the reference on record, but a recommendation to a person that matters is always a good thing.
>
> Heidi Thorsen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; humanser <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2016 6:20 pm
> Subject: [nabs-l] Acting as a reference/boundaries
>
> Hi all,
>
> First, please excuse me if sending to either of these list is out of
> place. I'm not exactly sure where to go for advice on this as it
> doesn't strike me as a typical issue for a student to have.
>
> I have been involved with an agency for the blind in my hometown for a
> very long time, first as a client and later as a volunteer while I was
> in high school. I still keep in touch with the music therapists who
> work there as they have been great mentors and role models for me. I
> am in the process of composing an email to check in to them, and was
> wondering if I should mention that someone I know is applying for a
> job there. I wouldn't normally mention it since they are going for a
> general office position, but this person knows how to use technology
> to produce braille music and I've always seen quality work from them.
> This would be a great resource to the music program as they have the
> technology and have been looking for someone with the know-how to use
> it for years. It also is more in lign with hthis person's degree, but
> I have already agreed to serve as a reference if references are
> needed. Would I be overstepping my bounds in mentioning them in the
> most annonymous way possible (like I am referring to them in this
> message) to current employees? I would not want to jeopardize their
> chances of getting the job, but as I have never served as an official
> reference before I don't know if this is harmless or something that
> could boost the chances, or if I should just mention it if I am called
> by HR.
>
> Any advice on this would be appreciated.
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:32:34 -0800
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> To: Human Services Division Mailing List <humanser at nfbnet.org>,
> National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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> Evening, Kaiti,
>
> Sounds like a match made within godly ethereal space to me. Hell, if
> it's okay with your friend, go ahead and name her. I mean, sounds
> like the program needs a tech person and your friend needs
> experience/resum`e matter. Why wouldn't you feel good about this?
> Let us know.
> Care PM 1/22/2016, Kaiti Shelton via humanser wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> First, please excuse me if sending to either of these list is out of
>> place. I'm not exactly sure where to go for advice on this as it
>> doesn't strike me as a typical issue for a student to have.
>>
>> I have been involved with an agency for the blind in my hometown for a
>> very long time, first as a client and later as a volunteer while I was
>> in high school. I still keep in touch with the music therapists who
>> work there as they have been great mentors and role models for me. I
>> am in the process of composing an email to check in to them, and was
>> wondering if I should mention that someone I know is applying for a
>> job there. I wouldn't normally mention it since they are going for a
>> general office position, but this person knows how to use technology
>> to produce braille music and I've always seen quality work from them.
>> This would be a great resource to the music program as they have the
>> technology and have been looking for someone with the know-how to use
>> it for years. It also is more in lign with hthis person's degree, but
>> I have already agreed to serve as a reference if references are
>> needed. Would I be overstepping my bounds in mentioning them in the
>> most annonymous way possible (like I am referring to them in this
>> message) to current employees? I would not want to jeopardize their
>> chances of getting the job, but as I have never served as an official
>> reference before I don't know if this is harmless or something that
>> could boost the chances, or if I should just mention it if I am called
>> by HR.
>>
>> Any advice on this would be appreciated.
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>>
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