[nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
Lora and Myrtle
blindhistory at gmail.com
Sat Feb 14 18:40:34 UTC 2009
Linda- What other schools did you go to besides the seeing eye?
On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Lora and Myrtle <blindhistory at gmail.com>wrote:
> What other schools did you go to?
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:14 AM, <lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Haben,
>> Unfortunately, the Naval Medical Center cannot pay us. They're cutting
>> their paid staff! And wasting money to revamp several areas on the base. It
>> would be nice to be paid, but...you know how that is. I'm glad you enjoyed
>> the articles. We enjoy what we do pay or no pay. I'd say that our "pay" is
>> the contribution to the healing of our Wounded Warriors. These
>> servicemembers are all mostly 18 and 19 year olds who went into the military
>> because they wanted to serve the country they love. We feel that the
>> program is a way that we can also serve our country - we can't serve in the
>> military ourselves. We see first hand what this long war in Iraq and
>> Afghanistan is doing to our young people. Most of the wounded are brain
>> injuries, depression, and PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). Unlike in
>> the war in Vietnam, the current servicemembers have to be deployed for over
>> a year at a time and they are also deployed over and over. Even sick folks
>> are sent back! Not good. Many of our patients are so sick and affected for
>> life that they are forced out of the military. They all say in their exit
>> interviews that the Paws That Heal program was a huge help in their
>> recovery.
>>
>> Well, until yesterday, all the Paws That Heal canine staff were Seeing Eye
>> dogs! We have accepted our newest staffmember and her dog is from Guide
>> Dogs for the Blind - San Rafael Campus. We didn't ever discriminate against
>> dogs from other schools - we just didn't have any who qualified until now
>> (smile!).
>>
>> Now, about Seeing Eye. You are treated as the mature adult that they
>> assume you are. The campus is really nice - nestled in the lovely rolling
>> hills of Washington Valley in Morris Township, New Jersey. The living
>> arrangements are comfortable and homey. The grounds are nice to walk
>> around. There's a leisure path with two gazebos. The staff is very
>> friendly and professional in their interactions with the blind people. The
>> Seeing Eye is a tough place to find job openings - even jobs like cooks or
>> housekeeping. They are a great employer and people don't want to leave!
>> All of the staff is comfortable with blindness. I've heard that the staff
>> spends some time under blindfold for them to gain a sensitivity towards the
>> blind people they work with. You have your own room to yourself with your
>> own bathroom. There are lounges to hang out in with stereos and TVs.
>> There's an exercise room, laundryroom, dog grooming room, and a computer
>> room with CCTVs and a Ham Radio if you are qualified to use that. In each
>> room is a radio, I think they still have Satellite radio that a graduate
>> donated for the dorm. They got this right after I was there.
>>
>> The diningroom similates a restaurant setting. At lunch time during the
>> weekdays, the whole staff eats there. One or two staff people sits at each
>> table with the students. Other staffmembers eat in another area that the
>> students must pass through as the staff come to eat about ten minutes before
>> the students are called to lunch. Now, this teaches us how to handle our
>> new dogs in a situation where people are already eating at tables and we
>> learn how to keep proper control of our dogs in a place where there is food
>> around. The food is delicious and is much like that served in a fine-dining
>> restaurant. They feed you so good that we have to make use of the exercise
>> room and the leisure path!
>>
>> The training is the best I've experienced. I have attended three other
>> schools before I attended The Seeing Eye. After experiencing The Seeing
>> Eye, I will not even consider any other school. The other schools do a
>> decent job, but the Seeing Eye still shines brighter.
>>
>> The instructors are very good and thorough in teaching us EVERYTHING we
>> need to know aboout guide dog care and use. We train in Morristown - a
>> lovely town - and other nearby communities. We have four basic routes that
>> we do in the beginning. Towards the end we do "free lance" which is any
>> particular aspect of training that you feel you need. With one dog, I was
>> living nearby my sister-in-law who has horses. I was always over there and
>> riding. I needed to have a dog who wouldn't freak out over horses. My
>> instructor arranged a visit to a barn full of horses. With Landon, my
>> instructors knew about my work with Paws That Heal. I was taken on a visit
>> to a nursing home and Landon got to visit with the patients. He loved it!
>> We have lots of good lectures. We get training with traffic checks, even
>> with the hybrid Prius car! Each instructor has four students in his or her
>> class so you get alot of personal attention.
>>
>> I would say that the experience is like a working vacation. Learn all you
>> can and have fun! If you have any concerns - no matter what - talk to your
>> instructor. The only "stupid question" is the one never asked (grin!).
>>
>> Also, you have a ready made community right here on the NAGDU List. We
>> are a wealth of information and experience here as we represent many, many
>> years of hands-on experience with using guide dogs.
>>
>> Hopefully, this has answered your questions (grin).
>>
>> Take care and let us know when you go to Seeing Eye.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Linda and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:41 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hey Linda, I loved the articles. It's very touching, such a truly
>>> marvelous program. You should ask the Naval Medical Center to pay the blind
>>> volunteers? The program has proven its benefits, its successfulness, and I'm
>>> sure many of the military men you serve in the program would agree. It
>>> wouldn't hurt to ask.
>>>
>>> I've heard many good things about The Seeing Eye. I'd love to hear your
>>> reasons for ranking it as the best school. I laughed when I read that only
>>> Seeing Eye teams had passed the interviews for Paws that Heal.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Haben
>>>
>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>> Yes, isn't it a shame that governments get in the way sometimes. The
>>>> singer/songwriter Sting has a song about the Cold War between the US and the
>>>> old USSR. There is a reoccuring line in the song about the Russians loving
>>>> their children as the Americans love theirs! Thanks for the explanations
>>>> about Eritrea and Ethiopia.
>>>>
>>>> Hey! Wonderful about you going to The Seeing Eye! I've been to several
>>>> other schools over the years - I've had dogs since 1973. I like The Seeing
>>>> Eye the best. I would have started out with them back in 1973 but, at that
>>>> time, The Seeing Eye didn't accept people who still had some usable vision.
>>>> They soon realized that some people with limited vision do well with guide
>>>> dogs and began to accept us. There are some people who have some vision and
>>>> they don't learn to trust the dog and it doesn't go well for the team. Some
>>>> people with partial vision second guess the dog and the team gets in
>>>> trouble. You get hurt because the envirnment isn't what you thought you saw.
>>>> The dog gets real confused and stops doing its job. The Seeing Eye will work
>>>> you under blindfold if they suspect you are having trust troubles with your
>>>> dog. Most people learn to trust their dog.
>>>>
>>>> There are ways to use the usable vision with the dog. I do that all the
>>>> time. However, I "listen" to my dog if he doesn't want to go through
>>>> something or he takes me around a black spot on the sidewalk - that tells me
>>>> that the black spot was actually a hole! So, TRUST YOUR DOG! (grin!) I also
>>>> have no night vision - just lights "floating" in the blackness of the night.
>>>> I HAVE to trust my dog as if I were totally blind.
>>>>
>>>> I also use ZoomText for the PDF files. What did you think about the
>>>> Paws program?
>>>>
>>>> You take care,
>>>>
>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>>>
>>>>> The governments of Eritrea and Ethiopia do not get along at all,
>>>>> they've been at the verge of war for the last few years, with fighting
>>>>> breaking out at the border every now and then. The typical civilian does not
>>>>> hate the civilians of the other country. I have family on both sides of the
>>>>> border, and quite a lot of people have family on both sides. The cultures
>>>>> are very similar, almost identical, and some parts of each country share
>>>>> languages. Most Eritreans don't like Ethiopia, but they have Ethiopian
>>>>> friends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I was able to read the attachments. I use ZoomText, so the pdfs
>>>>> weren't a problem. I hope the interview with the woman goes well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to have a dog by this summer, I'm in the application process
>>>>> with The Seeing Eye at the moment. I've heard lots of good things about that
>>>>> place.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> Haben
>>>>>
>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>> Thanks. We have alot of Eritrians here in San Diego. I heard that
>>>>>> the Eritreans and the Ethiopians don't like each other - is this true? I
>>>>>> hope not - I don't like people having age-old grudges against each other -
>>>>>> you know - it limits your friendships with people. (grin!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were you able to read the Paws That Heal attachments I sent you? I
>>>>>> know that screen readers and PDF files don't always agree with each other.
>>>>>> Tell me what you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomorrow, we're interviewing a local woman and her guide dog for the
>>>>>> Paws program. I want to make sure we have another good person in it before
>>>>>> I have to leave in July.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if I missed something - do you have a dog? If so, what
>>>>>> kind is it and what's its name? I do know that we have people on the list
>>>>>> who are between dogs, exploring the possibilities for a first dog. My dog
>>>>>> Landon is a Golden/Lab mix and he's red. He's from the Seeing Eye in New
>>>>>> Jersey.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:13 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the articles, Linda!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I identify as female, born in California with family from Eritrea,
>>>>>>> East Africa. Haben is actually a gender neutral name in Eritrea, so it's a
>>>>>>> legitimate question all around. I like the ambiguity, especially when
>>>>>>> filling out applications for various things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>>>> Attached are a couple of articles and a flyer aboout the Paws That
>>>>>>>> Heal program. One article and the flyer are in PDF files and the other
>>>>>>>> article is in a work doc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't tell from your name if you are a male or female - I just
>>>>>>>> like to know what I'm talking to! (grin). What nationality is your name?
>>>>>>>> I'm half Polish. It took me an age to find out that Marion Gwizdala is a
>>>>>>>> man!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enjoy the articles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS: Your home e-mail didn't work so this is on the list.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:03 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linda, I am absolutely intrigued! That is such a lovely program! I
>>>>>>>>> really hope I can find something like that in the Portland, Oregon area. I
>>>>>>>>> am a college student currently taking an anthropology class that requires
>>>>>>>>> students to go out and do fieldwork. I am considering doing something with
>>>>>>>>> Guide Dogs for the Blind in Boring, Oregon. Right now I'm going to search
>>>>>>>>> the Internet for a dog therapy program in Portland. Thanks for sharing
>>>>>>>>> LInda!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>>>>>> There is no web page for Paws That Heal. We are a 3 year old
>>>>>>>>>> program that is run out of the Health & Wellness Department for the Naval
>>>>>>>>>> Medical Center of San Diego. The program manager is their Diabetes
>>>>>>>>>> Instructor. She is visually impaired with a guide dog and she started the
>>>>>>>>>> program after an encounter in the elevator with a Wounded Warrior in her
>>>>>>>>>> building. The servicemember had a profound stutter and it took him five
>>>>>>>>>> minutes to stutter out, "May I pet your dog?" My friend - the instructor -
>>>>>>>>>> allowed him to pet her dog and the stutter went away just like that! He
>>>>>>>>>> then shared his war experiences with her - the servicemember was wounded in
>>>>>>>>>> Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, the Diabetes instructor happens to have been a friend of
>>>>>>>>>> mine for years. She also knows several of the other guide dog users in the
>>>>>>>>>> San Diego area who already had a program with the local blind center where
>>>>>>>>>> we bring our dogs to an outdoor, fenced in dog park to allow the guide dogs
>>>>>>>>>> play time together. We had exclusive use of one of the fenced in areas for
>>>>>>>>>> two hours once a month. The friend of mine worked with us and her chain of
>>>>>>>>>> command at the hospital and permission was granted to bring several wounded
>>>>>>>>>> servicemembers to the park to play with our dogs - and Paws That Heal was
>>>>>>>>>> born. We also have a portion of the program where we go to the locked
>>>>>>>>>> mental health ward to work with the servicemembers with PTSD and depression.
>>>>>>>>>> More great stuff happened as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do have a flyer for the program but it is in a PDF file and
>>>>>>>>>> turned sideways - don't know if a screen reader can desipher it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The program manager has written to Marion Gwizdala and he in turn
>>>>>>>>>> had her contact Mike Hingson about the program. We are looking for some new
>>>>>>>>>> teams to work with us who live in the San Diego area. The Paws program
>>>>>>>>>> happens three times a month at the hospital so we need people who can get
>>>>>>>>>> there, can commit the time, and pass the interviewing process - both human
>>>>>>>>>> and dog.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I forgot, where do you live?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:13 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Haben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linda, those volunteer programs sound awesome! Would you send me
>>>>>>>>>>> the web address for Paws that Heal? I'd love to read more about it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list, Haben.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm Linda and I live in San Diego - soon to move to Vermont.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Landon is my 3 year old red Lab/Golden cross from The Seeing Eye. I got him
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the October 2007 class. I am 58 years young and have not had a paid job
>>>>>>>>>>>> in eons. I've done lots of volunteer jobs to get experience to put on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> resume! Right now, Landon and I work at two pet therapy programs. One for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Humane Society where we visit various facilities for disabled kids and
>>>>>>>>>>>> adults. Landon is certified by the AKC's Canine Good Citizenship Test.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Landon is their program's first actual working assistance dog they've had.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lots of guide dog and service dog pups, but we are their first working team
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be in the program. The other one is a program called Paws That Heal that
>>>>>>>>>>>> is at the Naval Medical Center of SD. Both Landon and I had to pass a series
>>>>>>>>>>>> of interviews for this. We do a combo pet therapy, socialization, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> reintegration work with our Wounded Warriors from Iraq and Afghanistan. We
>>>>>>>>>>>> work mainly with the patients on the mental health ward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Haben, you'll enjoy this list - it's alot of fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mardi, thanks for the explanations. I love the names of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs. I actually don't have a dog, I'm in the application process for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seeing Eye dog right now. So, I'm patiently waiting to learn my fate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi Hadfield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Welcome Haben. No, I don't live in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alaska. My Huskies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are "south paws" We live in Tucson, Arizona. When I first
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog, I was told that the schools did not train for wheelchair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users.Since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already had a service dog, who was a husky, I hired a trainer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to help me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train Lily to guide me. I had to retire her at age 8 as she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues and she died month later, leaving me with out a guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog. I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a border collie and he did not work out as he had been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abused before I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got him and he could not handle being out in public. Then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husky, Nala,who was a fantastic guide. She will soon be 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years old and has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health issues now.She has guided me for 8 years and it has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retire her as she does not want to retire. When she sees me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting ready to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out, she brings me her harness and get all excited. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started picking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fights with Wanagi, the dog that I was training to take over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Nala. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a lot happier now that she is working again part time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanagi came up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lame with a hip problem, so she was career changed. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping her as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pet. I have been looking for a dog to take over as my new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide for over 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months. I think I have finally found a dog.I would love to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a dog from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fidelco,but when I asked about it ,I was told that they don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair users.I would have to pay my way to and from South
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eastern Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogs, which I could not afford, and really can't be away that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long. Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogs for the Blind would take me ,but again, I can't be away
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from my home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and business that long. So I guess I will just continue to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guides with the help of my trainer. Haben, do you have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide dog? If so ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what breed is it? I love hearing from others and about their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs. Have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great day, Mardi and Nala,semi-retired, and Shaman , possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trainee.
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