[nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal

lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com
Mon Feb 16 18:03:55 UTC 2009


Hi Haben,
Oh yes, you definately have input as to what you want in a dog - breed, siz, 
sex.  However, be open to what the instructor wants for you.  Be VERY 
specific about your needs -  what you need the dog to do for you or what 
kind of envirnment you would have the dog in.

For instance, if you were a student and was on a college campus, you'd need 
a dog that had the energy to keep up with your campus life.  You would need 
a dog that remembered routes well.  You'd need a dog that would be happy to 
lie quietly for many hours both in class and when you were studying.

Do you walk alot or not so much.  I would not recommend a German Shepherd if 
you were living a somewhat quiet life without alot of walking.  Are you one 
who walks alot, lives in a thriving city envirnment where the dog would love 
that work?
Be very specific about your lifestyle and needs.  Would you mind grooming a 
long haired dog or a short haired one?  Think of what the "perfect" dog 
would be like for you.  Of course, there's no real perfect dog, but the 
Seeing Eye staff can look for the next best thing for you.  As a first time 
dog handler, you may not always know what you need yet. You'll know more for 
your second dog.  Have you had your in-home interview yet?

Also, if you are too narrow in what you want, it will be very hard for the 
staff to make the best match for you. I've known people who have said that 
they want nothing else other than a German Shepherd.  They said that they'd 
take nothing else.  The instructors will have a real hard time making a 
match.  Maybe the person really isn't the right kind of person to handle a 
shepherd. A shepherd isn't going to work with a person who is timid. 
Shepherds are always testing their owners!  If the person is a good 
candidate for a shepherd, they may have to wait a long time for the school 
to find the right shepherd for that person.

For me, I ask for a tall dog for my balance.  I also do not want a full bred 
Golden Retriever.  Other than that, I don't care what I get.  I don't care 
for Goldens because I've seen many who are too "soft" - they scare too 
easily.  I'm sure there are good, solid Goldens out there, but I haven't 
seen very many of those.

Have an open mind and be clear in what you want or need.  The more info you 
can give to Seeing Eye, the more info they have to use to make the best 
match for you.

Good luck (smile!)

Regards,

Linda and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal


>
> Linda, thanks for so much information about the Seeing Eye! I'm looking 
> forward to getting a seeing eye dog. One more question, if you don't mind. 
> Do seeing eye candidates have any influence over what kind of dog/which 
> dog they are partnered up with?
>
> Haben
>
> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>> Hi Haben,
>> Unfortunately, the Naval Medical Center cannot pay us.  They're cutting 
>> their paid staff! And wasting money to revamp several areas on the base. 
>> It would be nice to be paid, but...you know how that is.  I'm glad you 
>> enjoyed the articles.  We enjoy what we do pay or no pay.  I'd say that 
>> our "pay" is the contribution to the healing of our Wounded Warriors. 
>> These servicemembers are all mostly 18 and 19 year olds who went into the 
>> military because they wanted to serve the country they love.  We feel 
>> that the program is a way that we can also serve our country - we can't 
>> serve in the military ourselves. We see first hand what this long war in 
>> Iraq and Afghanistan is doing to our young people.  Most of the wounded 
>> are brain injuries, depression, and PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress 
>> Disorder).  Unlike in the war in Vietnam, the current servicemembers have 
>> to be deployed for over a year at a time and they are also deployed over 
>> and over.  Even sick folks are sent back!  Not good.  Many of our 
>> patients are so sick and affected for life that they are forced out of 
>> the military.  They all say in their exit interviews that the Paws That 
>> Heal program was a huge help in their recovery.
>>
>> Well, until yesterday, all the Paws That Heal canine staff were Seeing 
>> Eye dogs!  We have accepted our newest staffmember and her dog is from 
>> Guide Dogs for the Blind - San Rafael Campus.  We didn't ever 
>> discriminate against dogs from other schools - we just didn't have any 
>> who qualified until now (smile!).
>>
>> Now, about Seeing Eye.  You are treated as the mature adult that they 
>> assume you are.  The campus is really nice - nestled in the lovely 
>> rolling hills of Washington Valley in Morris Township, New Jersey.  The 
>> living arrangements are comfortable and homey.  The grounds are nice to 
>> walk around.  There's a leisure path with two gazebos.  The staff is very 
>> friendly and professional in their interactions with the blind people. 
>> The Seeing Eye is a tough place to find job openings - even jobs like 
>> cooks or housekeeping.  They are a great employer and people don't want 
>> to leave!  All of the staff is comfortable with blindness.  I've heard 
>> that the staff spends some time under blindfold for them to gain a 
>> sensitivity towards the blind people they work with.  You have your own 
>> room to yourself with your own bathroom. There are lounges to hang out in 
>> with stereos and TVs.  There's an exercise room, laundryroom, dog 
>> grooming room, and a computer room with CCTVs and a Ham Radio if you are 
>> qualified to use that.  In each room is a radio, I think they still have 
>> Satellite radio that a graduate donated for the dorm. They got this right 
>> after I was there.
>>
>> The diningroom similates a restaurant setting.  At lunch time during the 
>> weekdays, the whole staff eats there.  One or two staff people sits at 
>> each table with the students.  Other staffmembers eat in another area 
>> that the students must pass through as the staff come to eat about ten 
>> minutes before the students are called to lunch.  Now, this teaches us 
>> how to handle our new dogs in a situation where people are already eating 
>> at tables and we learn how to keep proper control of our dogs in a place 
>> where there is food around.  The food is delicious and is much like that 
>> served in a fine-dining restaurant.  They feed you so good that we have 
>> to make use of the exercise room and the leisure path!
>>
>> The training is the best I've experienced.  I have attended three other 
>> schools before I attended The Seeing Eye.  After experiencing The Seeing 
>> Eye, I will not even consider any other school.  The other schools do a 
>> decent job, but the Seeing Eye still shines brighter.
>>
>> The instructors are very good and thorough in teaching us EVERYTHING we 
>> need to know aboout guide dog care and use.  We train in Morristown - a 
>> lovely town - and other nearby communities.  We have four basic routes 
>> that we do in the beginning.  Towards the end we do "free lance" which is 
>> any particular aspect of training that you feel you need.  With one dog, 
>> I was living nearby my sister-in-law who has horses.  I was always over 
>> there and riding.  I needed to have a dog who wouldn't freak out over 
>> horses.  My instructor arranged a visit to a barn full of horses.  With 
>> Landon, my instructors knew about my work with Paws That Heal.  I was 
>> taken on a visit to a nursing home and Landon got to visit with the 
>> patients.  He loved it! We have lots of good lectures.  We get training 
>> with traffic checks, even with the hybrid Prius car!  Each instructor has 
>> four students in his or her class so you get alot of personal attention.
>>
>> I would say that the experience is like a working vacation.  Learn all 
>> you can and have fun!  If you have any concerns - no matter what - talk 
>> to your instructor.  The only "stupid question" is the one never asked 
>> (grin!).
>>
>> Also, you have a ready made community right here on the NAGDU List.  We 
>> are a wealth of information and experience here as we represent many, 
>> many years of hands-on experience with using guide dogs.
>>
>> Hopefully, this has answered your questions (grin).
>>
>> Take care and let us know when you go to Seeing Eye.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Linda and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Linda, I loved the articles. It's very touching, such a truly 
>>> marvelous program. You should ask the Naval Medical Center to pay the 
>>> blind volunteers? The program has proven its benefits, its 
>>> successfulness, and I'm sure many of the military men you serve in the 
>>> program would agree. It wouldn't hurt to ask.
>>>
>>> I've heard many good things about The Seeing Eye. I'd love to hear your 
>>> reasons for ranking it as the best school. I laughed when I read that 
>>> only Seeing Eye teams had passed the interviews for Paws that Heal.
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Haben
>>>
>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>> Yes, isn't it a shame that governments get in the way sometimes.  The 
>>>> singer/songwriter Sting has a song about the Cold War between the US 
>>>> and the old USSR.  There is a reoccuring line in the song about the 
>>>> Russians loving their children as the Americans love theirs!  Thanks 
>>>> for the explanations about Eritrea and Ethiopia.
>>>>
>>>> Hey! Wonderful about you going to The Seeing Eye!  I've been to several 
>>>> other schools over the years - I've had dogs since 1973.  I like The 
>>>> Seeing Eye the best.  I would have started out with them back in 1973 
>>>> but, at that time, The Seeing Eye didn't accept people who still had 
>>>> some usable vision. They soon realized that some people with limited 
>>>> vision do well with guide dogs and began to accept us.  There are some 
>>>> people who have some vision and they don't learn to trust the dog and 
>>>> it doesn't go well for the team.  Some people with partial vision 
>>>> second guess the dog and the team gets in trouble. You get hurt because 
>>>> the envirnment isn't what you thought you saw. The dog gets real 
>>>> confused and stops doing its job. The Seeing Eye will work you under 
>>>> blindfold if they suspect you are having trust troubles with your dog. 
>>>> Most people learn to trust their dog.
>>>>
>>>> There are ways to use the usable vision with the dog.  I do that all 
>>>> the time.  However, I "listen" to my dog if he doesn't want to go 
>>>> through something or he takes me around a black spot on the sidewalk - 
>>>> that tells me that the black spot was actually a hole!  So, TRUST YOUR 
>>>> DOG! (grin!) I also have no night vision - just lights "floating" in 
>>>> the blackness of the night. I HAVE to trust my dog as if I were totally 
>>>> blind.
>>>>
>>>> I also use ZoomText for the PDF files.  What did you think about the 
>>>> Paws program?
>>>>
>>>> You take care,
>>>>
>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Linda,
>>>>>
>>>>> The governments of Eritrea and Ethiopia do not get along at all, 
>>>>> they've been at the verge of war for the last few years, with fighting 
>>>>> breaking out at the border every now and then. The typical civilian 
>>>>> does not hate the civilians of the other country. I have family on 
>>>>> both sides of the border, and quite a lot of people have family on 
>>>>> both sides. The cultures are very similar, almost identical, and some 
>>>>> parts of each country share languages. Most Eritreans don't like 
>>>>> Ethiopia, but they have Ethiopian friends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I was able to read the attachments. I use ZoomText, so the pdfs 
>>>>> weren't a problem. I hope the interview with the woman goes well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to have a dog by this summer, I'm in the application process 
>>>>> with The Seeing Eye at the moment. I've heard lots of good things 
>>>>> about that place.
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> Haben
>>>>>
>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>> Thanks.  We have alot of Eritrians here in San Diego.  I heard that 
>>>>>> the Eritreans and the Ethiopians don't like each other - is this 
>>>>>> true? I hope not - I don't like people having age-old grudges against 
>>>>>> each other - you know -  it limits your friendships with people. 
>>>>>> (grin!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were you able to read the Paws That Heal attachments I sent you?  I 
>>>>>> know that screen readers and PDF files don't always agree with each 
>>>>>> other. Tell me what you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomorrow, we're interviewing a local woman and her guide dog for the 
>>>>>> Paws program.  I want to make sure we have another good person in it 
>>>>>> before I have to leave in July.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if I missed something - do you have a dog?  If so, what 
>>>>>> kind is it and what's its name?  I do know that we have people on the 
>>>>>> list who are between dogs, exploring the possibilities for a first 
>>>>>> dog. My dog Landon is a Golden/Lab mix and he's red.  He's from the 
>>>>>> Seeing Eye in New Jersey.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:13 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the articles, Linda!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I identify as female, born in California with family from Eritrea, 
>>>>>>> East Africa. Haben is actually a gender neutral name in Eritrea, so 
>>>>>>> it's a legitimate question all around. I like the ambiguity, 
>>>>>>> especially when filling out applications for various things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>>>> Attached are a couple of articles and a flyer aboout the Paws That 
>>>>>>>> Heal program. One article and the flyer are in PDF files and the 
>>>>>>>> other article is in a work doc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't tell from your name if you are a male or female - I just 
>>>>>>>> like to know what I'm talking to! (grin).  What nationality is your 
>>>>>>>> name? I'm half Polish. It took me an age to find out that Marion 
>>>>>>>> Gwizdala is a man!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Enjoy the articles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS:  Your home e-mail didn't work so this is on the list.
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:03 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Dog Therapy and Paws that Heal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Linda, I am absolutely intrigued! That is such a lovely program! I 
>>>>>>>>> really hope I can find something like that in the Portland, Oregon 
>>>>>>>>> area. I am a college student currently taking an anthropology 
>>>>>>>>> class that requires students to go out and do fieldwork. I am 
>>>>>>>>> considering doing something with Guide Dogs for the Blind in 
>>>>>>>>> Boring, Oregon. Right now I'm going to search the Internet for a 
>>>>>>>>> dog therapy program in Portland. Thanks for sharing LInda!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Haben,
>>>>>>>>>> There is no web page for Paws That Heal.  We are a 3 year old 
>>>>>>>>>> program that is run out of the Health & Wellness Department for 
>>>>>>>>>> the Naval Medical Center of San Diego.  The program manager is 
>>>>>>>>>> their Diabetes Instructor. She is visually impaired with a guide 
>>>>>>>>>> dog and she started the program after an encounter in the 
>>>>>>>>>> elevator with a Wounded Warrior in her building.  The 
>>>>>>>>>> servicemember had a profound stutter and it took him five minutes 
>>>>>>>>>> to stutter out, "May I pet your dog?"  My friend - the 
>>>>>>>>>> instructor - allowed him to pet her dog and the stutter went away 
>>>>>>>>>> just like that!  He then shared his war experiences with her - 
>>>>>>>>>> the servicemember was wounded in Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, the Diabetes instructor happens to have been a friend of 
>>>>>>>>>> mine for years.  She also knows several of the other guide dog 
>>>>>>>>>> users in the San Diego area who already had a program with the 
>>>>>>>>>> local blind center where we bring our dogs to an outdoor, fenced 
>>>>>>>>>> in dog park to allow the guide dogs play time together.  We had 
>>>>>>>>>> exclusive use of one of the fenced in areas for two hours once a 
>>>>>>>>>> month.  The friend of mine worked with us and her chain of 
>>>>>>>>>> command at the hospital and permission was granted to bring 
>>>>>>>>>> several wounded servicemembers to the park to play with our 
>>>>>>>>>> dogs - and Paws That Heal was born.  We also have a portion of 
>>>>>>>>>> the program where we go to the locked mental health ward to work 
>>>>>>>>>> with the servicemembers with PTSD and depression. More great 
>>>>>>>>>> stuff happened as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I do have a flyer for the program but it is in a PDF file and 
>>>>>>>>>> turned sideways - don't know if a screen reader can desipher it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The program manager has written to Marion Gwizdala and he in turn 
>>>>>>>>>> had her contact Mike Hingson about the program. We are looking 
>>>>>>>>>> for some new teams to work with us who live in the San Diego 
>>>>>>>>>> area.  The Paws program happens three times a month at the 
>>>>>>>>>> hospital so we need people who can get there, can commit the 
>>>>>>>>>> time, and pass the interviewing process - both human and dog.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I forgot, where do you live?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" 
>>>>>>>>>> <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 1:13 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Haben
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Linda, those volunteer programs sound awesome! Would you send me 
>>>>>>>>>>> the web address for Paws that Heal? I'd love to read more about 
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> lindagwizdak at peoplepc.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome to the list, Haben.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm Linda and I live in San Diego - soon to move to Vermont. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Landon is my 3 year old red Lab/Golden cross from The Seeing 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Eye. I got him in the October 2007 class. I am 58 years young 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and have not had a paid job in eons. I've done lots of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteer jobs to get experience to put on a resume!  Right 
>>>>>>>>>>>> now, Landon and I work at two pet therapy programs.  One for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Humane Society where we visit various facilities for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled kids and adults. Landon is certified by the AKC's 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Canine Good Citizenship Test.  Landon is their program's first 
>>>>>>>>>>>> actual working assistance dog they've had. Lots of guide dog 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and service dog pups, but we are their first working team to be 
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the program.  The other one is a program called Paws That 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Heal that is at the Naval Medical Center of SD. Both Landon and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had to pass a series of interviews for this. We do a combo 
>>>>>>>>>>>> pet therapy, socialization, and reintegration work with our 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wounded Warriors from Iraq and Afghanistan.  We work mainly 
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the patients on the mental health ward.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Haben, you'll enjoy this list - it's alot of fun.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Linda and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haben Girma" 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <habnkid at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:27 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Welcome Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mardi, thanks for the explanations. I love the names of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your dogs. I actually don't have a dog, I'm in the application 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> process for a Seeing Eye dog right now. So, I'm patiently 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting to learn my fate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Haben
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi Hadfield wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Hi every one,     Welcome Haben.   No, I don't live in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alaska. My Huskies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are "south paws"  We live in Tucson, Arizona.  When I first 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog, I was told that the schools did not train for wheelchair 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users.Since I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already had a service dog, who was a husky, I hired a trainer 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to help me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train Lily  to guide me. I had to retire her at age 8 as she 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues and she died month later, leaving me with out a guide 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dog. I tried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out a border collie and he did not work out as he had been 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abused before I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got him and he could not handle being out in public. Then I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> husky, Nala,who was a fantastic guide. She will soon be 10 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years old and has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health issues now.She has guided me for 8 years and it has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been hard to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> retire her as she does not want to retire. When she sees me 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting ready to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go out, she brings me her harness and get all excited. She 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> started picking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fights with Wanagi, the dog that I was training to take over 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for Nala. She
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a lot happier now that she is working again part time. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wanagi came up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lame with a hip problem, so she was  career changed. I am 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping her as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pet. I have been looking for a dog to take over as my new 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide for over 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months. I think I have finally found a dog.I would love to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a dog from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fidelco,but when I asked about it ,I was told that they don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair users.I would have to pay my way to and from South 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eastern Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogs, which I could not afford, and really can't be away that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long. Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dogs for the Blind would take me ,but again, I can't be away 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from my home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and business that long. So I guess I will just continue to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> train my own
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guides with the help of my trainer.  Haben, do you have a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guide dog? If so ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what breed is it? I love hearing from others and about their 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dogs. Have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great day,  Mardi and Nala,semi-retired, and Shaman , 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible trainee.
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