[nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.forBlind'sguidedog policy does not discriminate

Sat Feb 21 10:48:16 UTC 2009

Hi Melissa,

The thing is, this woman *did* go to a state-run training program.

Best,

Angie

On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:46:53 -0700, melissa Green wrote:

>Hello all.
>Here is my final comment on this issue.  I don't want to continue to beat 
>the dead horse any more.
>In my opinion, this woman obviously thought that there was something about 
>the training in Iowa to go through it once.  I don't know why she felt the 
>need to do it again.
>Until the late 90's only one nfb center accepted guide dog users.  That was 
>here in colorado.  I could be wrong but I believe this to be true.  I am 
>sure someone will correct me.
>Anyway, after the informed choice ressollution was past things changed 
>regarding guide dog users.  This ressollution also added to the battle 
>between ACb and NFb.  Which in unfortunate because both organization can try 
>to work together on some of these issues.  In fact this idea has been 
>recommended on this list.  I think that Nagdu, and GDui have the same goal, 
>which is to assist guide dog users.  That is what I have been told anyway. 
>However, the aCB NFB feud that is a strong pressence in all divisions of 
>each organization is another soap box issue for  another time.
>To ind my Soap box issue about this verdict.  This woman used her right to 
>informed choice.  She sued and lost.  We will never know why she  made the 
>choices that she did.  But the fact is she used the right to informed 
>choice.  If others don't want to go to a center with NFb philosophy.  Then 
>they can use their right to informed choice and go to a state run rehab 
>training program.  This way there will be no confusion about leaving the dog 
>at home and so on.
>Melissa R. Green

>A cane user, and future guide dog user
>Someone's opinion of you does not have to become your reality.
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
><nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:35 PM
>Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept.forBlind'sguidedog policy does not 
>discriminate

>> Perhaps the term orientation and mobility has become synonymous with the
>> idea of cane travel. So... what is orientation and mobility and what is 
>> cane
>> travel? Is one a subset of the other? Just food for thought.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Angie Matney" <leadinglabbie at mpmail.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 8:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Jury finds IA Dept. forBlind'sguidedog policy does 
>> not
>> discriminate
>>
>>
>>>Also, Angie said "Still, I really don't see why guide dog use during
>>>mobility training at centers must be an all
>>>or nothing deal. " It's this way because NFB centers teach cane travel not
>>>dog travel. While I believe the travel instructors at the LCB are
>>>phenomenal
>>>they aren't going to be able to teach me much if anything about traveling
>>>with a dog because that's not their area of expertise. On the flip side, I
>>>wouldn't go to Seeing Eye and expect my instructor to be able to educate 
>>>me
>>>in the ways of cane travel for the same reason!
>>
>> Hi Meleah,
>>
>> My statement doesn't imply that NFB center instructors should "teach dog
>> travel." It does suggest that people who profess to teach *orientation,*
>> along with mobility, could do a bit better at considering how to 
>> incorporate
>> different *mobility* aids into
>> the *orientation* lessons. The guide dog schools do not claim to teach
>> *orientation.* They teach the use of a particular mobility tool. This is
>> different, IMO, than teaching all aspects of travel skills.
>>
>> I think it's possible for a center to only teach cane travel but to allow
>> the experienced guide-dog user to use the dog in *some* situations.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Angie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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