[nagdu] racism

Dan Weiner dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
Tue May 19 18:37:11 UTC 2009


I know whom you're talking about, Tracey, and I'm sure she's telling the
truth.
If she says it, it happened.

Dan W.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Tracy Carcione
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 2:10 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nagdu] racism

Linda,
I don't know.  She is a woman of great common sense, not the sort to imagine
things, and definitely a person to stand up for her rights. 
Though I don't know what she was like more than 50 years ago.  If I think of
it, I'll ask her if she could see back then, next time I talk to her. 
Or perhaps people back then thought a woman did not need a dog as much as a
man, so women were treated differently.  But she thinks it was because she's
black.  Leader accepted her, and she's been happy with them ever since.
Tracy


> Hi Tracy,
> I was surprized to hear about your friend who was turned down from TSE 
> in the 1950s because she was black. This is very surprizing since 
> Morris Frank was raised in a progressive family who was friends with 
> George Washington Carver, a black professor who revolutionized the 
> growing practices of peanuts.  Carver was a frequent guest at the 
> Morris home in the days when Southern whites NEVER had blacks in their 
> homes unless the black person was cleaning that home!
>
> Did this lady have usable vision, maybe? The Seeing Eye did not accept 
> people with any usable vision until sometime in either the '70s or 
> early '80s.  Could the racial bias be a perception by the lady?
>
> Now, before people of color jump all over me, there are non white 
> people who seem to pull the "racist card" every time they have a 
> disagreement with you.
> There is this black woman in our blind community here who actually 
> does this. She said to me that we were all racist at our blind center 
> - no reason, we just were!  Sure, we have ONE person who seems to 
> teeter on the edge of that abyss but we are a pretty multi racial and 
> multi cultural blind center.  It is the black people who seem to 
> prefer to all sit together at a table but they certainly don't care if 
> I choose to sit there with
> them(grin!)  I was raised all my life to care more about what kind of 
> person one is rather than what color they are. I sit at the tables 
> with guide dog users because many of the non dog users don't like the 
> dogs under their feet.  So, we don't sit there and listen to them 
> bitch about the dogs!
>
> Anyway, I don't know any schools today who would pull a racist attack 
> on anyone now.  As a white Californian, I am definately in the 
> minority - and that's OK!
>
> Linda and Landon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 6:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] vet reports and other issues
>
>
>>I wonder if it would be useful to also say when these incidents happened.
>> Maybe what happened 20-30 years ago is still relevant to a school 
>>now,  and  maybe not.
>> For instance, a friend of mine says that in 1952 TSE turned down her  
>>application because she is black.  This surprises me, because I've 
>>read  about black men being in class in the '40's, but on the other 
>>hand, my  friend is a person of great integrity.
>> Anyway, if it's so it wasn't right. But it wouldn't happen today.
>> In the same way, something that happened 30 years ago could be  
>>completely  different now.
>> Tracy
>>
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