[nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness

Thu Oct 29 02:32:58 UTC 2009

Laura, that is very interesting to know, thanks for sharing.  I remember a 
LD classmate telling me this last summer and I completely forgot.  However, 
that just goes to show all of us that there are definitely exceptions and we 
need to be speaking with our councils, elders or whomever governs our houses 
of worship.  Again, thanks!

Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lora" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness

> Steve
> In the LDS (Mormon) community) service animals are not allowed in temples 
> at
> all. I haven't had any issues with church, but I can't take my dog into 
> the
> temple at all. It is specifically written on the church website. 
> www.lds.org
>
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Steve Johnson <
> stevencjohnson at centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>> This is great, but what we do need to watch for, and it is sometimes
>> difficult to find, but if that religious organization receives any level 
>> of
>> federal or state funding say for school lunch programs for instance, this
>> will change their requirement to that of a title II entity.  Also, we do 
>> see
>> many religious organizations serve as meal sites for senior meals which 
>> do
>> get their funding through this mechanism, or perhaps provide free meals 
>> to
>> the general public and advertise to the general public like we see here 
>> in
>> our community, this too can now change their responsibility to that of a
>> title III entity.  Very tricky, as it is not always what meets the eye.
>> However, if we are just speaking about Sunday services, this may be just
>> exactly what it is written as and that is an exempt religious entity.  If
>> you need clarification, contact your DBTAC at 1.800.949.4232.
>>
>> I have worked with many individuals with service animal issues, and I 
>> have
>> yet to hear where a religious entity denies someone wita service animal
>> access.  The www.deltasociety.org site has some good info that defines
>> service animal, therapy animal, emotional support and companion animal 
>> all
>> being very different in terms of how each of their functions are defined.
>> Then, we get into the whole public space issue, which if I am guessing
>> correctly from the previous correspondences, you may be mistaking that 
>> being
>> covered under the ADA when we are talking Fair Housing Amendments act 
>> issues
>> and public spaces in public housing.  Yep, these are required to be
>> accessible, but not the churches unless built after 1992 where new
>> construction provisions apply and this is specifically looking at the
>> architectural accessibility.
>>
>> Whew!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion & Martin" <
>> swampfox1833 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness
>>
>>
>> Jenine,
>>>   The Americans with Disabilities Act specifically exempts religious
>>> organizations. The pertinent section is pasted below.
>>>
>>> SEC. 307. EXEMPTIONS FOR PRIVATE CLUBS AND RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATIONS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 42 USC 12187.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The provisions of this title shall not apply to private clubs or
>>> establishments exempted from coverage under title II of the Civil Rights
>>> Act
>>> of 1964 (42
>>>
>>> U.S.C. 2000- a(e)) or to religious organizations or entities controlled 
>>> by
>>> religious organizations, including places of worship.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenine Stanley" 
>>> <jeninems at wowway.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] The Requirement of a Harness
>>>
>>>
>>> Technically, I believe churches do need to comply with the ADA in the
>>>> spaces
>>>> open to the general public. I could be wrong on that one, but I'm 
>>>> pretty
>>>> sure it is correct.
>>>>
>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>> jeninems at wowway.com
>>>>
>>>>
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