[nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising

Sun Aug 1 18:08:25 UTC 2010

Hi Julie,
That's the problem with people with hidden disabilities and have dogs and it 
sucks.   The problems they have are due to the bad handlers out there. 
Personally, I care more aboout that dog's behavior in public than who has 
the dog.   To me, who cares as long as the dog is comfortable in public and 
behaves properly for being in public - that goes for people with seen and 
unseen disabilities  - and even no disability!

As a partially sighted person, I've had people tell me that I was faking 
being visually impaired because I can see some things and use a guide dog. 
You're right, we have no way of knowing about people unless they choose to 
divolge that info.

Not long ago, I was on the bus in the first forward facing seat.  this lady 
got on with a Chihuahua wrapped in a towel with it's head sticking out. 
Landon was under my seat with his front part under the seat this lady sat 
on. I am sure both dogs kneew the presence of the other but both dogs had 
stellar behavior.  That little Chihuahua just sat there comfortably on the 
lady's lap without a peep.  So, that's what I care about - dog behavior, not 
whether the person has a disability or not.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2010 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising

> How do we decide who is a fake?  Honestly I would like to know.  Because 
> me personally, I have no way of knowing what anyone's disability is or how 
> it affects their life.  I have no way of knowing what their resources are 
> or what other options they might have.  Maybe with the dog they look 
> "normal", but without they wouldn't be able to do any of the same things.
>
> Whose responsibility is it to decide who gets to work with a service 
> animal? If we start policing who is worthy and who is not, then couldn't 
> this come back to haunt us?  I am a good cane traveler.  I used a cane for 
> years before switching to a dog.  I still use my cane more frequently than 
> many guide dog handlers.  Does this mean I shouldn't have a guide dog? 
> There are thousands and thousands of better examples, but I hope I'm 
> getting my point across.  Where do we draw  the line?
>
> Julie
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Danielle Nicole Larsen" <dnlarsen75 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>
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>> Pretty mcuh I know Jordan and I have the same opinions on these matters 
>> so I'll spare yout he repeat.
>> I just think that there are too many fakes and too many chances someone 
>> sin't trust worthy.
>> It's  a risk to me that isn't worth it. When i get a dog, if I were to 
>> fill otu reports for awhile to make sure I was a good handler, then 
>> great.
>> I would rather that then people who aren't great handlers having the 
>> privlige of such wonderful dogs!
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jordan Frances Ortiz" <ortizj32 at students.rowan.edu>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>>
>>
>>>I guess my view on ID"s for service dogs is like my thought on dog 
>>>ownership.  I would rather have to show ID to cut down on people lying 
>>>about service dgos then have privacy and people taking over no pt areas 
>>>with pets.
>>> I also believe that I would rather fill out reports every month for my 
>>> school and not have ownership if it would keep people who should ahve 
>>> dogs from getting them.  Seeing eye gives ownership over to their 
>>> students immediately and I've seen many amazing handlers but there is 
>>> alsoa handful who are abusive to their dogs.
>>>
>>> Any ones' thoughts on these 2 issues?
>>>
>>> Jordan and Viola
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>>>> Yes, and very scary that this is the attitude of some raisers. Hard to
>>>> say if it's an attitude because showing an ID card might make their 
>>>> life
>>>> easier, or because they feel that a blind person is not entitled to the
>>>> same privacy rights as everybody else. Jordan, can you explain your 
>>>> position? Also, I'd like to see how this would really play out. If Dan 
>>>> and Jordan
>>>> showed up with a guide dog and a puppy, would Dan be asked to show ID,
>>>> but Jordan not be required to show ID? The lack of parody is
>>>> frightening. It would be just as bad if Jordan was required to show ID
>>>> but Dan was not, though we could take the attitude that Jordan chose to
>>>> raise a puppy, chose to enter an establishment that is traditionally 
>>>> not
>>>> dog friendly, so his/her interaction would be akin to an adult buying a
>>>> drink. Thoughts guys?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Dan Weiner
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:36 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL: Puppy raising
>>>>
>>>> You don't understand, Becca, blind people don't have a right to
>>>> privacy--smile.
>>>> Anyone who asks us anything and we're just supposed to assume it's an
>>>> authority figure and they have a right to see an id.
>>>>
>>>> Cordially,
>>>>
>>>> Dan and Carter the clown
>>>>
>>>>
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