[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: being reported to your school

Tue Aug 3 17:54:04 UTC 2010

Not liking something and abuse are not the same thing.

I don't like Old Roy dog food, but if you choose to feed it to your dog, it 
doesn't qualify as abuse.

I don't like over medicating my dogs, but if you choose to use chemical flea 
treatments, it isn't abuse.

Also I think what we perceive as abuse has much to do with our culture and 
upbringing.

I think the only true measure of abuse is to look at the laws since they are 
what society has agreed on to be considered abuse.

JMHO
Julie

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Frances Ortiz" <ortizj32 at students.rowan.edu>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: being reported to your school

> isn't that what abuse is... if we liked abuse it wouldn't be abuse would 
> it?
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> Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>> Totally agree. My problem with Jordan's logic is that she is equating 
>> abuse to stuff
>> she doesn't like. When I read the post about the guy puking on his dog I
>> thought "Did this guy not call her "the morning after" and she's now
>> looking for revenge"? Then my thought is "How dare the blind guy go out 
>> and drink, oh look, he
>> took his dog with him when he did it, I'll say he's abusing it". That 
>> whole attitude strikes me as paternalistic. Most people will do dumb 
>> things with their dogs not because we have
>> dogs, but because we're human. WE'll do the same with our spouses, our
>> friends, our kids, our stuff, you name it. Jordan, a good litness test is 
>> "If this guy was sighted and took his pet
>> dog to an outdoor dog-friendly bar or to just a dog-friendly bar, and
>> puked on his dog, would you care?" You are using "That poor puppy" as an 
>> excuse to hit the abuse button for
>> behavior you don't like.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of The Pawpower Pack
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 11:36 AM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school
>>
>> I would agree that throwing up on one's dog is hardly ideal.  However, 
>> sometimes stuff happens.  I take my dog to bars when I go.  My dog is 
>> there if I drink alcohol.  Granted, I'm at the point in my life, where 
>> time and experience has taught me that drinking until one throws up is 
>> hardly a good idea, for a number of reasons.  However I don't think 
>> taking my dog to the bar and drinking is a crime.  If someone saw my  dog 
>> at a bar and saw me drinking and having a good time with friends  and 
>> they accused me of abuse, I'd be pretty upset.
>> People are different, they have different lifestyles.  Some dogs don't 
>> like bars and the noise does bother them.  If someone had a dog like 
>> that, I would hope they'd use their judgement and not take the dog. 
>> However if the dog is like mine and doesn't really care, then who's 
>> business is it of anyone's to say I should, or should not have my dog  at 
>> a bar?
>> Also if someone threw up on their dog because they were ill, is that 
>> still abuse, or is it the drinking plus the vomiting that is the issue?
>> I drink, I go to bars.  I live in New Orleans and my dog goes on  Bourbon 
>> street with me and I have a hard time thinking this is abusive.
>>
>> My dog gets fed, loved, medical care.  She works has toys, other dog 
>> friends and I spend lots of time with her.  Does the fact that someone 
>> drinks alcohol with their dog at a bar then negate all of the other 
>> things?
>> I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm honestly curious.
>>
>>
>> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point 
>> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half- 
>> wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
>> http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> AIM: Brissysgirl
>>
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