[nagdu] being reported to your school

Wed Aug 4 00:26:36 UTC 2010

Again I have no problem with working a dog with a few drinks or going to 
a bar with one.  I just don't think dogs should be worked when you have 
gotten hammered.. and as for definition of that lets think college 
status drunk lol.  I feel like the medicationa dn medical issues we that 
were brought are a bit different from college level trashedness (sorry 
made up that word).  I live on a campus.. I know how drunk people can 
get and if I ever got that way I wouldn't be able to work or anything.  
It sounds like the medication still allowed you to focus some and get 
your work done, while the level drunk I'm talking would not.  Sorry for 
dragging everyone around in a circle of drunk, abuse, and reporting 
bla.  I'm just writing down different thoughts and seeing what everyoen 
thinks.  I don't think the drinking with the dog is abuse that just 
happened to be the icing on the cake for everythign else this guy did to 
his dog.. sorry I'm just a little upset with him because his dog really 
doesn't deserve some of this stuff.

Jordan and Viola

Tamara Smith-Kinney wrote:
> Rox,
>
> Pretty much what you said.  Can I go to Bourbon street with you?  /grin/
>
> Listening in on the discussion of the specific drinking/vomiting and how it
> relates to abuse leading up to your message, I can see it from a number of
> sides...  I had a hard time giving a way a litter of kittens I inadvertently
> ended up with because I couldn't be sure the people who got them would meet
> my approval.  /smile/  With a guide dog puppy, perhaps my own biases would
> give me some assurances that it would be passing from my hands to good
> training and a useful life with a caring handler...  Or not.  Having not
> done it, I can't say how I would really feel.  I respect puppy raisers a lot
> for being able to do their jobs so well and pass the pup on because I do
> realize what a hard time I would have with that myself.  /smile/
>
> Since I don't the now-famous vomiter beyond that one tale, I have no way to
> judge if this is the only way in which he was a jerk to his dog or to
> others, whereas Jordan probably knows more and may look at those details he
> shared in a different light because of his knowledge of the individual.
>
> I agree wholeheartedly with you that deciding to take the guide dog to one
> venue where others might leave it home (the bar example is always a good
> one), it depends very much on the individual dog, as well as the individual
> handler.  I tend to avoid situations fraught with high negative emotion and
> conflict because my poodly thing is very sensitive to that.  If I do run
> into a situation with her where the conflict comes towards me, well, I tend
> to reach for my zen before pulling out my big guns because of Mitzi.  On the
> rare occasions when the conflict has come to me because of her (usually in
> the form of some self-identified expert who takes it as a duty to explain to
> me how very, very wrong I am in all ways because of my dog; or worse, that
> it is the dog herself that is inherently flawed), I become just so darned
> sweet I make myself sick.  Not so much now that Mitzi is mature and stable
> in her personality.  Only no one has approached me to be offensively
> intrusive and obnoxious since I decided it would be okay for me to express
> myself a bit more freely.  Where's the fun?  /grin/
>
> As for bars...  Mitzi *loves* them!  When I first went to a local pub
> complete with music and crowds, I was very tentative and viewed it as a
> trial run only, expecting Ms. Overstimulation to be seven kinds of weird in
> the 30 seconds before I had to take us out...  Shows what I know!  She was
> relaxed and comfortable, not relaxed in a poodle melt sort of way, just
> enjoying the ambience and leading her handler-to-be through the crowd to the
> bar, where she settled down in front of the barstools to watch the crowd
> while my fiend and I chatted with our friend who was tending bar...  She got
> bored after a while, but for her then it was a long while, and she started
> demanding attention.  But we'd had time to finish a meal and chat and enjoy
> a new beer and everything before then.  A rare treat for me in those days!
> Then she led me out very nice and business like (again, a new treat) and
> came out into the light and fresh air cheerful and smiling just like anyone
> else coming out of the place...  /lol/
>
> Well, I have noticed since that she enjoys places that are fairly dark but
> that put me on enough sensory overload that I don't have the wits left do do
> anything but let her lead me around by the hadn...  I'm a more consistent
> handler by now, except for those days when I just can't seem to keep my head
> in the right space, and even then I'm not so terrible as I used to be
> because being guided is becoming habit finally.  But when I was first
> learning, I would tend to wander too much on my end of the harness or just
> forget that I wasn't the one who was supposed to know where to go to deal
> with whatever was right in front of us if I was too relaxed and cheerful.
> If I was too uptight and could still have a sense of seeing what was going
> on, then I would end up trying to be too controlling instead of trusting her
> to do what I'd spent all that time training her to do.  Poor kid!  She had a
> lot to put up with!  So I'm sure a nice pub with friends where the music and
> lack of lighting made me nice and dependent upon my guide while I was still
> happy and relaxed whas just great for her.  /lol/
>
> I haven't tried going out and really tying one on then letting her be the
> designated driver while we stagger home...  I don't really have plans to, on
> the theory that I, too, and old enough and wise enough to discovered the
> negative after effects of such indulgence and to learn not to appreciate
> them.  /grin/  But It is nice to know we can both go with our friends to
> some of the great pubs around town and have a nice relaxing time together
> over drinks.  /smile/
>
> And if people think I'm abusing my dog taking her into all that noise and
> drinking...  Well, if they don't tell me about it, they'll almost certainly
> report me to my friends or to DD, so I'll be sure to be informed! /grin/
>
> Tami Smith-Kinney
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of The Pawpower Pack
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 8:36 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] being reported to your school
>
> I would agree that throwing up on one's dog is hardly ideal.  However,  
> sometimes stuff happens.  I take my dog to bars when I go.  My dog is  
> there if I drink alcohol.  Granted, I'm at the point in my life, where  
> time and experience has taught me that drinking until one throws up is  
> hardly a good idea, for a number of reasons.  However I don't think  
> taking my dog to the bar and drinking is a crime.  If someone saw my  
> dog at a bar and saw me drinking and having a good time with friends  
> and they accused me of abuse, I'd be pretty upset.
> People are different, they have different lifestyles.  Some dogs don't  
> like bars and the noise does bother them.  If someone had a dog like  
> that, I would hope they'd use their judgement and not take the dog.   
> However if the dog is like mine and doesn't really care, then who's  
> business is it of anyone's to say I should, or should not have my dog  
> at a bar?
> Also if someone threw up on their dog because they were ill, is that  
> still abuse, or is it the drinking plus the vomiting that is the issue?
> I drink, I go to bars.  I live in New Orleans and my dog goes on  
> Bourbon street with me and I have a hard time thinking this is abusive.
>
> My dog gets fed, loved, medical care.  She works has toys, other dog  
> friends and I spend lots of time with her.  Does the fact that someone  
> drinks alcohol with their dog at a bar then negate all of the other  
> things?
> I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm honestly curious.
>
>
> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point  
> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half- 
> wit, and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
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>
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