[nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers

[Doug Parisian]

Golly ge I'd never dare to tell anyone fron the NFB (in jCanada, that means 
National Film Board) with all those requirements to switch schools.  No 
indeed, better just to train your own dog then you'd get what you want.  Of 
course, that would mean months of intense effort--whoops!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers


> Good afternoon everyone,
>
>    Yet every other guide dog school does permit some kind of puppy
> raiser-guide dog handler communication. Undoubtedly things like what you
> described happen and get worked out. If the other schools can work through
> these situations so can SE.
>
>    Now before you tell me or anyone on this list that if they don't like
> SE's policy concerning puppy raiser contact any guide dog program I would
> choose to attend must meet the following criteria. It must:
> 1. Give its graduates full ownership of its dogs upon graduation;
> 2. It must permit direct contact between graduates and puppy raisers
> desiring such contact;
> 3. Students in training must be permitted to work their dogs off of the
> school grounds unaccompanied prior to graduation;
> 4. The school must employ blind guide dog trainers in addition to its 
> other
> blind employees;
> 5. The school must incorporate sleepshade training in its program;
> 6. The school must use the Structured-Discovery Model in its programs;
> 7. The program's philosophy of blindness must be that of the NFB;
>
>    GDB meets some of those criteria but not all of them. After reading the
> above list you'll know that you're telling the wrong person to "Switch
> schools" if they don't like a particular policy.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jenine Stanley" <jeninems at wowway.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:59 PM
> Subject: [nagdu] contact with puppy raisers/walkers
>
>
> Although GDF does allow contact with puppy raisers/walker, I do feel the
> need to defend TSE's no-contact policy. It has nothing, absolutely 
> nothing,
> to do with you being an adult. It's about the principle of anonymous 
> giving,
> selfless giving.
>
> I've been in a workshop where a puppy raiser actually said "I raised these
> dogs. I'm entitled to pet them whenever I want. You people are too mean to
> them, never write back and don't deserve them."
>
> The man who said this totally embarrassed his family and does not 
> represent
> all puppy raisers/walkers, but his opinion, or variations thereof, are out
> there and make up the wide reasons people do raise puppies.
>
> Also, not everything your dog does now is a result of things it did as a
> puppy or was illegally allowed to do. I've heard from puppy walkers who 
> were
> crushed when hearing about their dogs' behavior as guides and were berated
> by the handlers for allowing X, Y or Z when they did no such thing.
>
> I think those who have issue with TSE's puppy contact policy should read 
> in
> the literature exactly why it was established. It screams respect for the
> adult nature of blind people.
>
> Jenine Stanley
> jeninems at wowway.com
>
>
>
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