[nagdu] calling the program was researching programs

Sun Feb 21 02:10:29 UTC 2010

Where can you find a chain/nylon martingale collar that has the clip (like a 
fanny pack) to adjust the collar and also that can be removed without 
changing the size?

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] calling the program was researching programs

> Lyn,
>
> I use the nylon and chain combo martingale collar with Monty.  I also use 
> a clicker and treats.  Although for the past couple of months I haven't 
> been using the actual clicker, but just a tongue click. Since I've been 
> having good luck remembering to bring my head wherever I go, it's been 
> working out well! LOL
>
> I wouldn't categorize Monty as a soft dog by any stretch of the 
> imagination. I, personally, don't think harder dogs need harder 
> corrections, just firmer handling.
>
> JMHO
> Julie
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Linda Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] calling the program was researching programs
>
>
>> Hi Ann,
>> I think you have a good point here in regards to dog handling. It seems 
>> that the dog owning public are going more towards the reward system and 
>> the "click and treat" and people are getting away from choke collars and 
>> leash corrections that are still being used by most of the guide dog 
>> schools.
>>
>> I see this trend while I work in my Humane Society programs.  They use no 
>> choke collars on any of their dogs.  I see volunteers walking the shelter 
>> dogs all the time and they use either a head collar, nylon martingale 
>> collar or this other kind that is like a harness with the leash 
>> attachment ring at the front of the chest. There is no choking or 
>> pressure on the neck.  When I'm in our programs, I use a nylon martingale 
>> collar on Landon and have the leash attached to that. He still wears his 
>> choke collar that is holding his tags.
>>
>> In my case, the HS program people realize that my dog was trained with 
>> the regular chain choke and therefore they don't have any problem with me 
>> having it on Landon.  When I really need to control Landon while 
>> visiting, I hold him by the small loop of the martingale collar but when 
>> out on the streets, a correction with this collar has no effect on him - 
>> he needs the chain collar then.
>>
>> I think GDB is starting to get away from chain collars.  They're now 
>> using a martingale collar with nylon for the part around the neck with 
>> the small loop being chain.  You get the chain sound while doing a 
>> correction but not the total choking as there is with an ordinary chain 
>> choke collar. They are also using the "click and treat" method in their 
>> training and the dogs appear to be "softer".  I have heard different 
>> reviews on using the clicker and having to carry around treats - some 
>> feel it is a royal pain and others like it.
>>
>> Seeing Eye hasn't done this yet but they do use the clicker training 
>> during the dog's training before we get them.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie at nycap.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 10:59 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] calling the program was researching programs
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Julie and All,
>>>
>>> Yes, I have heard of other situations where non-blind people are 
>>> reported to authorities without being directly confronted with the 
>>> concerns first--specifically, I have heard of situations where 
>>> babysitters and daycare workers have called child protective services to 
>>> report suspected child abuse when they notice "black and blue" marks on 
>>> the bodies of adopted Asian children.  These people don't understand 
>>> that the coloration is natural and not caused by beatings or other 
>>> abuse.  And they don't ask the parents about it; they just assume the 
>>> worst.  I think the situation is similar to the one of a blind person 
>>> and guide dog--well-meaning people with little knowledge and a lot of 
>>> ignorance.
>>>
>>> My personal belief is that if blind handlers were instructed in positive 
>>> training and handling methods, and if guide dogs were routinely trained 
>>> using positive reinforcement and a marker signal instead of through 
>>> correction, that handlers would present a more favorable image to the 
>>> general public of their relationship with their guide dogs.  The 
>>> handlers would have a better understanding of animal behavior and 
>>> learning and of why their dogs sometimes do not perform as they "are 
>>> supposed to."  The handlers would be much less likely to get into those 
>>> situations of frustration where correction has a tendency to escalate. 
>>> The dogs would work better and look happier.  This might reduce the 
>>> negative impression that some members of the public experience when 
>>> observing working teams, and might cut down on some of the "abuse" calls 
>>> to schools.  This would not eliminate those situations where the blind 
>>> person is accused of abuse for not allowing the guide dog to be petted 
>>> or interfered with by ignorant members of the public.  But it might cut 
>>> down on some of the more common excuses for abuse reports.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Ann
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:19 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] calling the program was researching programs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jeanine,
>>>>
>>>> It's very good to hear that you don't accept anonymous complaints at 
>>>> GDF. If someone can't give their name it would make me wonder about the 
>>>> validity of their statement.  It's too easy to make up stories if you 
>>>> can hide behind anonymity.
>>>>
>>>> Got any ideas why the public doesn't address the blind person directly 
>>>> about the issue?  Or at least why they don't try that approach first?
>>>>
>>>> Is tattling a societal thing or just a blind people thing?  When I used 
>>>> to work in rehab the O&M instructor would occasionally get phone calls 
>>>> about some blind person or another who was out alone and crossing 
>>>> dangerous intersections or something similarly inappropriate for a 
>>>> blind person to do. *smile*
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to think of a parallel situation that doesn't involve blind 
>>>> people where sighted people turn each other in for perceived 
>>>> indescressions. I can't think of any sort of situation.   of a 
>>>> noncriminal nature.  Perhaps it is a blindness/disability thing 
>>>> exclusively.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes I think too much! LOL
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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