[nagdu] Service dog helps control anxiety attacks

Wed Jun 9 18:54:08 UTC 2010

Not in Germany. You're missing my point, if pet dogs are allowed
everywhere, the law will be based on the business owner's largess. 
When I had a dog and would go to dog-friendly places, (and this is here
in the U.S., the owners of various places were hostile to me bringing my
guide dog inside. They were like "We let dogs be here... outside, we
have nice tables outside". Dogs were so common that they just couldn't
see the harness. 
I think this would happen if pet dogs were allowed everywhere. 
Hop onto the buddy-l list or the European guide dog list and pose these
questions, it isn't as clear cut as you or I would like.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Linda Gwizdak
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:43 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog helps control anxiety attacks

Hi Rebecca,
I don't see how everyone socializing their dogs can hurt us.  If society
had 
well behaved dogs around, we'd just blend in and be like everyone else. 
Isn't this what the NFB and NAGDU really want for ourselves?  If all the

dogs out in public wwere well trained, they wouldn't interfere with our 
dogs' work, either.

As to guide dogs in the grocery store, I think they are just as subject
to 
ADA as any other place open to the public.  Marion, am I correct in
this?

As to "being special" well, I just want to live my life as uncomplicated
as 
possible! (grin!)  I think with well behaved dogs and people, we'd do 
better.  I think people would be more respectful towards us and our
working 
dogs.  In Europe, they have a general understanding of the concept of 
working dogs that isn't here in the US.

Cheers,

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog helps control anxiety attacks

> Making it a requirement that all dogs be well socialized might hurt
our
> rights too in that if pet dogs are allowed everylike in Germany, then
> our dogs wouldn't be regarded as special. Also, I've been told that a
> grocery store can refuse to allow dogs and that includes guide or
> service dogs. So, this suggestion is good, but won't solve the
problem.
> Me, I can't take the article seriously, this woman has a major stress
> disorder yet chose a breed that people rightly or wrongly fear. What
am
> I missing?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Linda Gwizdak
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:34 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog helps control anxiety attacks
>
> Hey Rox,
> My niece has a pet pit bull - a Staf mix - and he is a WONDERFUL dog!
> He'd
> make a great therapy dog and he's good with people and dogs. He and
> Landon
> enjoy playing with each other when we visit.
>
> I have known several pits and find them good, affectionate dogs.  The
> bad
> rap comes from those who breed them for fighting. These folks kill the
> ones
> who refuse to fight!  Like Michael Vick did and served time in prison
> for.
> Those dogs he killed coould have been good service dogs.
>
> Pits - and all dogs really - need early socialization with all kinds
of
> people and animals to learn to get along with others.  Case in point
> about a
> little Schnauser that lives in our complex. She LOVES people and dogs!
> Many
> Schnausers seem to want to eat my dog. But this one was adopted from
the
>
> animal shelter as a young pup and she has been around all kinds of
> people
> and dogs in her new home - thus she has been well socialized!
>
> I don't know why these people who push breed specific laws to
> discriminate
> on the breed rather than the deed. Maybe they should be trying to make
> laws
> that would mandate early socialization of dogs in the first place. If
> ALL
> dogs were socialized from puppyhood, there'd be very few truely
viscious
>
> dogs around.  Most of the nasty dogs I see are poorly or not at all
> socialized.  A real shame because the dog isn't happy being that way.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Pawpower Pack" <pawpower4me at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Service dog helps control anxiety attacks
>
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> Staffordshire Bull Terriers would be a wonderful PSD.  They are very
>> stubborn; and you will have to spend lots of time training because
> they
>> are not automatic "people pleasers" like a lab or golden.   However
> they
>> are very intend to their people's emotion and very  focused on
safety.
> In
>> England, Staffordshire Bull Terriers are called  "nanny dogs" because
> they
>> are so wonderful with children.  Very  tolerant and watchful but not
>> reactive.
>> They are about 13-15 inches tall and weigh around 40 lbs so short,
> broad
>> and very well muscled.  I love this breed and if they were  bigger,
> and if
>> I weren't so concerned about BSL (breed specific  legislation) and
> whether
>> local BSL trumps ADA; I'd have one as a  service dog.  They are
> considered
>> a "pit bull" which is not a breed,  but a grouping of breeds mainly
>> consisting of the Staffordshire Bull  Terrier, the American
> Staffordshire
>> Terrier and the American Pit Bull  Terrier.
>>
>> The dog does sound like it does "tasks" and would qualify as a PSD
and
>
>> not an ESA but sometimes it is a gray area.
>> The breed in general does have the right temperament for this work,
>> though and if I needed a PSD; a Staffy would be very high on my list.
>>
>> Rox and the Herbal HenchHounds
>> Bristol (retired), Mill'E SD. and Laveau Guide Dog, CGC.
>> "It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to
point
>
>> out that the emperor has no clothes. But the half-wit remains a half-
> wit,
>> and the emperor remains an emperor."-- Neil Gaiman
>> http://www.pawpowercreations.com/retreat.html
>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>> AIM: Brissysgirl
>>
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