[nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction

doug weil doug.weil at yahoo.com
Thu May 13 00:42:58 UTC 2010 

Lyn and Jewel,
American Leather makes exactly what your talking about./ We have several and use them for our Child Vision Companion Dogs. It is leather, has the support handle coming straight up the center and over the backstrap. You can also slide a guide harness handle thru the back strap and it attaches to the front of the harness. The kids can pull themselves up with the support strap. The down side is that it is leather and spendy. About 400-500 bucks. Hope this helps.

Doug Weil, GDMI
OccuPaws Guide Dog Association




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From: Linda Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:48:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction

Hi Jewel,
I saw a balance harness a couple weeks ago on the harness of a dog who assisted his owner in keeping her balance. The person was not blind.

The body of the harness looked much like a typical guide harness made from nylon.  The handle is small and stands upright placed on the top of the back strap. It seemed to be made of very stiff nylon - not sure if the nylon covered metal or something else that is very stiff that would support the person's leaning on it.  The dog has to be tall enough to have the person easily reach the little handle.

I'm not sure if this kind of a harness could be used to guide with.  I'm wondering if a regular guide harness could be modified to have the little support handle attached to the top of the back strap.  It wouldn't interfere with the action of the guide handle.

What say you, guide dog harness makers out there!

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction


> A related question...with a balance harness, how does the handle and
> balance bar work out? Does anyone have a good description of what a
> balance harness looks like? Does the handle on a balance harness
> differ from the standard harness? When I get my first guide dog, s/he
> will also be there to help with balance, so a balance harness is going
> to be the main harness we use, though we'll also have a standard
> harness for days when I'm doing better.
> 
> ~Jewel
> 
> On 5/11/10, Meghan Whalen <meghan at n-republic.net> wrote:
>> The length of the handle depends on many criterian:
>> 
>> 1.  How tall are you
>> 2.  How tall is your dog
>> 3.  How long is your dog
>> 4.  what is the most comfortable working position for both you and your dog
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 5.  Other things I'm not thinking of, I'm sure.
>> 
>> For example, with my current dog, I use a short handle, I believe this is a
>> 14 inch handle.  If I were taller, I would need a longer handle, if she were
>> taller, I would need a shorter handle.
>> 
>> I hope that makes sense.
>> 
>> Meghan
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>> 
>> 
>>> For me, it was trial and error.  I started with the standard issue from
>>> GDB, not sure what length that is.  Then, I thought that I needed a longer
>>> 
>>> handle, so I went home with a longer handle.  After a little while, I
>>> decided that I needed a shorter one again, as I was too far behind Lexia.
>>> I tried that for a while, then I tried an offset handle, which is what I
>>> use now.  Do you know what offset and ergonomic handles are shaped like?
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> I'm wondering, and maybe this is me being stupid, but.. how do  you
>>>> decide how long of a handle to get? Jessica
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/10/10, Pawpower Creations <pawpower at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I make handles in lengths from 10 to 20 inches.  I also make
>>>>> off-set
>>>>> handles in lengths from 12 inches to 20 inches.  I am working on a an
>>>>> urgonomic handle, and hope to offer one in the future, but that is still
>>>>> 
>>>>> in
>>>>> the works.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your Canine in mind
>>>>> Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
>>>>> 504-312-2609
>>>>> pawpower at cox.net
>>>>> www.pawpowercreations.com
>>>>> Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving
>>>>> harnesses.
>>>>> 
>>>>> With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
>>>>> The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
>>>>> The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
>>>>> The only creature faithful to the end.
>>>>> 
>>>>> George Crabbe
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:24 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Do the harnesses come with different handle options?  The GDB harnesses
>>>>>> have long or short handles, offsets, and ergonomic handles.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Pawpower Creations" <pawpower at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:56 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't think that any of the schools require that you use only their
>>>>>>> harness.  As long as the equipment is safe it shouldn't matter what is
>>>>>>> used. The most important thing is that you use the equipment that works
>>>>>>> best for you and your dog and that it is safe and comfortable.
>>>>>>> I would be happy to answer any questions that anyone may have. There
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> email links on my site, and there is other contact info in my
>>>>>>> signature.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
>>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your Canine in mind
>>>>>>> Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
>>>>>>> 504-312-2609
>>>>>>> pawpower at cox.net
>>>>>>> www.pawpowercreations.com
>>>>>>> Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving
>>>>>>> harnesses.
>>>>>>> Pawp
>>>>>>> With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
>>>>>>> The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
>>>>>>> The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
>>>>>>> The only creature faithful to the end.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> George Crabbe
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:34 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think she means, are these harnesses approved by training schools in
>>>>>>>> the U.S. for use with "their' dogs?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I think the colour doesn't matter so much, though I imagine a red
>>>>>>>> harness would be cooler than a black one. But I'd love to hear more
>>>>>>>> about these harnesses...are they cooler (weather-wise)? Does the
>>>>>>>> padding help prevent chaffing in hot, humid weather (such as in
>>>>>>>> Louisiana and Texas)? What are the advantages and disadvantages of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> sports harness versus the standard harness? Also, is the relieving
>>>>>>>> harness only for break time, like in the morning before you get
>>>>>>>> ready?
>>>>>>>> It's not for regular work, is it?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would love to hear more about these harnesses, especially if the
>>>>>>>> sports harness is better for very hot weather (like Texas, Louisiana,
>>>>>>>> and Florida in the summer would be...). I would hate to put a hot
>>>>>>>> harness on a pup on a day with a heat index of 130 degrees
>>>>>>>> Farenheit...shear torture!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 5/9/10, Pawpower Creations <pawpower at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure exactly what you are asking.  The color of the harness
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> have no bearing on how the public views a blind indevidual and his
>>>>>>>>> guide.
>>>>>>>>> My wife and I both use our nylon harnesses, and so do many others
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> purchased them from us, and never have I heard that there was an
>>>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>>>> because of the color or style of the harness.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
>>>>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your Canine in
>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>> Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
>>>>>>>>> 504-312-2609
>>>>>>>>> pawpower at cox.net
>>>>>>>>> www.pawpowercreations.com
>>>>>>>>> Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving
>>>>>>>>> harnesses.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
>>>>>>>>> The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
>>>>>>>>> The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
>>>>>>>>> The only creature faithful to the end.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> George Crabbe
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:06 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Are these colored harnesses working harnesses?  Does anyone on this
>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>> have one?  If so, is the public's perception of you and your dog
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> different?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bob! I'm Jewel. I'm 25 years old, and considering GDF to get my
>>>>>>>>>>> first guide dog. I live in Raleigh, North Carolina, and will be
>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>> to school starting this fall for Elementary Education towards a
>>>>>>>>>>> career
>>>>>>>>>>> as a teacher of the blind and visually impaired. I myself am
>>>>>>>>>>> legally
>>>>>>>>>>> blind with 3/350 in one eye only (light perception in the other).
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I took a look at your website. I bookmarked it, and would *love* a
>>>>>>>>>>> blue or purple or green harness for my puppy, depending on what
>>>>>>>>>>> dog I
>>>>>>>>>>> get, and the sports and relieving harnesses sound rather
>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Could you tell us more about the design of the sports and
>>>>>>>>>>> relieving
>>>>>>>>>>> harnesses versus the standard harness? I know the sports harness
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> lighter, what other differences? And how does the relieving
>>>>>>>>>>> harness
>>>>>>>>>>> work? It sounds like a cool idea!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/10, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob aren't you on the gdf grad list.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheryl Echevarria
>>>>>>>>>>>> Independent Travel Consultant
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>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> 1-866-580-5574
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome Bob!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pawpower Creations" <pawpower at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 5:31 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Greetings everyone, I am Bob Blackner, and I live in New
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Orleans
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wife Rox'E, my guide dog Rudy, and the rest of the pawpower
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > pack:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > queen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Bristol, Mill'E to the max, and last but not least baby girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Laveau.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > an assistive technology specialist, and I am also the > co-owner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Pawpower
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > creations.  I make custom nylon guide and service dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > equipment
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > such
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving harnesses. I > really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I look forward to being a part of this guide dog discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > My
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wife
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > tells me that this is a fun and informative group of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I hope everyone is having a pleasant Friday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your > Canine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 504-312-2609
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > pawpower at cox.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > www.pawpowercreations.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > relieving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > harnesses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Pawpower Creations is constantly growing and expanding as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > strive
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > provide quality products for you and your canine companions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > be offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > herb classes taught by a certified Herbalist, dog training
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > classes, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > training tips section, and other useful information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > We will also be selling hand crafted soaps, bath salts, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > fragrant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > products designed to relax the mind, cleanse the body, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > soothe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > calm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > and uplift
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > your spirit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The only creature faithful to the end.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > George Crabbe
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