[nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction

Thu May 13 02:18:53 UTC 2010

I know what off set are like, what is the urganomic one like, though?
Jessica

On 5/12/10, doug weil <doug.weil at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Lyn and Jewel,
> American Leather makes exactly what your talking about./ We have several and
> use them for our Child Vision Companion Dogs. It is leather, has the support
> handle coming straight up the center and over the backstrap. You can also
> slide a guide harness handle thru the back strap and it attaches to the
> front of the harness. The kids can pull themselves up with the support
> strap. The down side is that it is leather and spendy. About 400-500 bucks.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Doug Weil, GDMI
> OccuPaws Guide Dog Association
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Linda Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tue, May 11, 2010 11:48:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>
> Hi Jewel,
> I saw a balance harness a couple weeks ago on the harness of a dog who
> assisted his owner in keeping her balance. The person was not blind.
>
> The body of the harness looked much like a typical guide harness made from
> nylon.  The handle is small and stands upright placed on the top of the back
> strap. It seemed to be made of very stiff nylon - not sure if the nylon
> covered metal or something else that is very stiff that would support the
> person's leaning on it.  The dog has to be tall enough to have the person
> easily reach the little handle.
>
> I'm not sure if this kind of a harness could be used to guide with.  I'm
> wondering if a regular guide harness could be modified to have the little
> support handle attached to the top of the back strap.  It wouldn't interfere
> with the action of the guide handle.
>
> What say you, guide dog harness makers out there!
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>
>
>> A related question...with a balance harness, how does the handle and
>> balance bar work out? Does anyone have a good description of what a
>> balance harness looks like? Does the handle on a balance harness
>> differ from the standard harness? When I get my first guide dog, s/he
>> will also be there to help with balance, so a balance harness is going
>> to be the main harness we use, though we'll also have a standard
>> harness for days when I'm doing better.
>>
>> ~Jewel
>>
>> On 5/11/10, Meghan Whalen <meghan at n-republic.net> wrote:
>>> The length of the handle depends on many criterian:
>>>
>>> 1.  How tall are you
>>> 2.  How tall is your dog
>>> 3.  How long is your dog
>>> 4.  what is the most comfortable working position for both you and your
>>> dog
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 5.  Other things I'm not thinking of, I'm sure.
>>>
>>> For example, with my current dog, I use a short handle, I believe this is
>>> a
>>> 14 inch handle.  If I were taller, I would need a longer handle, if she
>>> were
>>> taller, I would need a shorter handle.
>>>
>>> I hope that makes sense.
>>>
>>> Meghan
>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:10 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>
>>>
>>>> For me, it was trial and error.  I started with the standard issue from
>>>> GDB, not sure what length that is.  Then, I thought that I needed a
>>>> longer
>>>>
>>>> handle, so I went home with a longer handle.  After a little while, I
>>>> decided that I needed a shorter one again, as I was too far behind
>>>> Lexia.
>>>> I tried that for a while, then I tried an offset handle, which is what I
>>>> use now.  Do you know what offset and ergonomic handles are shaped like?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jessica Pitzer" <rolosgirl at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'm wondering, and maybe this is me being stupid, but.. how do  you
>>>>> decide how long of a handle to get? Jessica
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/10/10, Pawpower Creations <pawpower at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, I make handles in lengths from 10 to 20 inches.  I also make
>>>>>> off-set
>>>>>> handles in lengths from 12 inches to 20 inches.  I am working on a an
>>>>>> urgonomic handle, and hope to offer one in the future, but that is
>>>>>> still
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your Canine in mind
>>>>>> Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
>>>>>> 504-312-2609
>>>>>> pawpower at cox.net
>>>>>> www.pawpowercreations.com
>>>>>> Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving
>>>>>> harnesses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
>>>>>> The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
>>>>>> The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
>>>>>> The only creature faithful to the end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George Crabbe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 11:24 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do the harnesses come with different handle options?  The GDB
>>>>>>> harnesses
>>>>>>> have long or short handles, offsets, and ergonomic handles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Pawpower Creations" <pawpower at cox.net>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:56 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think that any of the schools require that you use only
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> harness.  As long as the equipment is safe it shouldn't matter what
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> used. The most important thing is that you use the equipment that
>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>> best for you and your dog and that it is safe and comfortable.
>>>>>>>> I would be happy to answer any questions that anyone may have. There
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> email links on my site, and there is other contact info in my
>>>>>>>> signature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
>>>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your Canine in
>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>> Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
>>>>>>>> 504-312-2609
>>>>>>>> pawpower at cox.net
>>>>>>>> www.pawpowercreations.com
>>>>>>>> Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving
>>>>>>>> harnesses.
>>>>>>>> Pawp
>>>>>>>> With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
>>>>>>>> The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
>>>>>>>> The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
>>>>>>>> The only creature faithful to the end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> George Crabbe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 6:34 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think she means, are these harnesses approved by training schools
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the U.S. for use with "their' dogs?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the colour doesn't matter so much, though I imagine a red
>>>>>>>>> harness would be cooler than a black one. But I'd love to hear more
>>>>>>>>> about these harnesses...are they cooler (weather-wise)? Does the
>>>>>>>>> padding help prevent chaffing in hot, humid weather (such as in
>>>>>>>>> Louisiana and Texas)? What are the advantages and disadvantages of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> sports harness versus the standard harness? Also, is the relieving
>>>>>>>>> harness only for break time, like in the morning before you get
>>>>>>>>> ready?
>>>>>>>>> It's not for regular work, is it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would love to hear more about these harnesses, especially if the
>>>>>>>>> sports harness is better for very hot weather (like Texas,
>>>>>>>>> Louisiana,
>>>>>>>>> and Florida in the summer would be...). I would hate to put a hot
>>>>>>>>> harness on a pup on a day with a heat index of 130 degrees
>>>>>>>>> Farenheit...shear torture!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/9/10, Pawpower Creations <pawpower at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure exactly what you are asking.  The color of the
>>>>>>>>>> harness
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> have no bearing on how the public views a blind indevidual and his
>>>>>>>>>> guide.
>>>>>>>>>> My wife and I both use our nylon harnesses, and so do many others
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> purchased them from us, and never have I heard that there was an
>>>>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>>>>> because of the color or style of the harness.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
>>>>>>>>>> Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your Canine in
>>>>>>>>>> mind
>>>>>>>>>> Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
>>>>>>>>>> 504-312-2609
>>>>>>>>>> pawpower at cox.net
>>>>>>>>>> www.pawpowercreations.com
>>>>>>>>>> Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving
>>>>>>>>>> harnesses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
>>>>>>>>>> The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
>>>>>>>>>> The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
>>>>>>>>>> The only creature faithful to the end.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> George Crabbe
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 11:06 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Harnesses Re: Introduction
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are these colored harnesses working harnesses?  Does anyone on
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>>>>> have one?  If so, is the public's perception of you and your dog
>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>> different?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 7:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bob! I'm Jewel. I'm 25 years old, and considering GDF to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> first guide dog. I live in Raleigh, North Carolina, and will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>> to school starting this fall for Elementary Education towards a
>>>>>>>>>>>> career
>>>>>>>>>>>> as a teacher of the blind and visually impaired. I myself am
>>>>>>>>>>>> legally
>>>>>>>>>>>> blind with 3/350 in one eye only (light perception in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> other).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I took a look at your website. I bookmarked it, and would *love*
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> blue or purple or green harness for my puppy, depending on what
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog I
>>>>>>>>>>>> get, and the sports and relieving harnesses sound rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you tell us more about the design of the sports and
>>>>>>>>>>>> relieving
>>>>>>>>>>>> harnesses versus the standard harness? I know the sports harness
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> lighter, what other differences? And how does the relieving
>>>>>>>>>>>> harness
>>>>>>>>>>>> work? It sounds like a cool idea!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Jewel
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/10, cheryl echevarria <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob aren't you on the gdf grad list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Independent Travel Consultant
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome Bob!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pawpower Creations" <pawpower at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "nagdu" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 5:31 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Greetings everyone, I am Bob Blackner, and I live in New
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Orleans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wife Rox'E, my guide dog Rudy, and the rest of the pawpower
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > pack:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > queen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Bristol, Mill'E to the max, and last but not least baby girl
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Laveau.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > an assistive technology specialist, and I am also the >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > co-owner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Pawpower
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > creations.  I make custom nylon guide and service dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > equipment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > harnesses, leashes, collars, and relieving harnesses. I >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I look forward to being a part of this guide dog discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wife
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > tells me that this is a fun and informative group of people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I hope everyone is having a pleasant Friday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Best wishes from the Pawpower pack!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Bristol, Mill'E, Rudy, and Laveau
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Pawpower Creations, Products designed with you and your >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Canine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Bob Blackner/Rox'E Homstad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 504-312-2609
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > pawpower at cox.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > www.pawpowercreations.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Custom made guide dog harnesses, leashes, collars, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > relieving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > harnesses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Pawpower Creations is constantly growing and expanding as we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > strive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > provide quality products for you and your canine companions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > be offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > herb classes taught by a certified Herbalist, dog training
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > classes, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > training tips section, and other useful information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > We will also be selling hand crafted soaps, bath salts, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > fragrant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > products designed to relax the mind, cleanse the body, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > soothe,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > calm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > and uplift
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > your spirit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > With eye upraised his master's look to scan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The joy, the solace, and the aid of man:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The rich man's guardian and the poor man's friend,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The only creature faithful to the end.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > George Crabbe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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