[nagdu] EXTERNAL:Re: NFB and Airlines

Fri Nov 5 16:22:34 UTC 2010

Rebecca

As indicated in other posts, I am just beginning to cross over to the 
dark side as it were.  Having partial sight all my life I functioned in 
the sighted world because that was what worked.   As previously 
mentioned, I have received very little cane training and definitely none 
regarding airport travel.  From this list and elsewhere, I have learned 
about handling a guide dog in an airport so am aware that handlers do 
not have to hand their guide dogs to a TSA agent.  That is why I would 
not be afraid to refuse to hand the leash of a future guide dog to TSA.  
The context of my comments had to do with a guide user on this list who 
said they considered using a cane at TSA checkpoints to make things go 
smoother.  My post was to show that it may not really be smoother to use 
a cane, as one may still be required to let them scan it separately.  It 
seems to me that relinquishing a guide dog is more invasive than handing 
over my cane at this point in my limited experience in my new world.  Brenda

On 11/5/2010 11:46 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
> I'm curious about this. Why would you have not handed hem the leash?
> What made you afraid and how would adog have changed that? I'm not
> trying to be difficult, I truly don't understand. I understand how being
> scared can make you act in a manner you'd regret, we've all done that at
> least once. I just don't get how a dog would have made you not be
> scared.
> Anybody who would have responded the same way want to answer this?
> Me, I'd have told them they couldn't have my cane and told them they
> could wand me. That is in keeping with their process.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Brenda
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 10:01 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [nagdu] NFB and Airlines
>
> They stopped me and asked for my cane, I did not volunteer and was
> afraid to refuse.  Had I had a dog, I would not have handed them the
> leash.  Brenda
>
> On 11/5/2010 9:47 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) wrote:
>> Guys,
>> Security doesn't "let us" go through with our dogs or canes. We don't
>> get their permission we tell them what we are going to do and we do
> it.
>> People with metal body parts like knees don't have the option of
> making
>> themselves metal free.
>> Security has processes in place to deal with this, I've always been
>> wanded and it's never been an issue.
>> Don't make any dealings with them about letting them take your dog
>> through, this isn't a discussion, nor is it something they let you do.
>> They aren't our mothers letting us have an extra cookie, nor are we
>> children that need to ask for permission.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tamara Smith-Kinney
>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:48 PM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB and Airlines
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>> So do you use a cane to get through the security gate, or do they let
>> you go
>> with your dog?
>>
>> I had a problem with that myself, and naturally had left my carrying
>> cane in
>> my backpack when I sent it rhrough.  Sigh.  I had gone through a
>> security
>> check already that morning, and it was hassle free for both of us...
> So
>> all
>> of the heavy handedness and all came as a real shock, and having to go
>> back
>> and forth through the stupid metal detector got very, very
> disorienting.
>> And upsetting to my still very young dog.  I was unprepared for any of
>> it,
>> mentally or informationally, so I ended up just trying to go with the
>> flow
>> and noticing that it wasn't working for me.  Live and learn!
>>
>> Anyway, my plan for flying again includes having a metal free pocket
>> cane
>> for me, and a metal free leash for Mitzi so I have the option of
>> removing
>> the harness to take her through if I need to...  Although I've been
>> learning
>> enough hear to realize that removing the harness is going too far just
>> to
>> avoid a bit of possible hassle, so my plan is changing.
>>
>> Tami Smith-Kinney
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Dan Weiner
>> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:58 AM
>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] NFB and Airlines
>>
>> Nicely done, Gary!
>>
>> The only comment I'd make is regarding your way of handling the
> security
>> check.
>> It's fine, no criticism.
>> But I can't walk a straight line to save my life, even if I go through
>> the
>> metal detector without Carter I set it off because I veer and bump the
>> side--smile.
>> So, I explain in advance or ask to be wanded, if that's the word.
>>
>> I have found that, since 9/11, security has gotten much better about
> how
>> to
>> deal with those of us who have guide doggies.
>> This is in large measure do to the persistent efforts of IAADP NAGDU,
>> and
>> GDUI.
>>
>> I had a lot of problems before 9-11 with airport security, sorry to
> say,
>> I
>> mean there was some real nastiness or just maybe ignorance.
>>
>> It's sad that a tragedy of earthshaking proportions such as 9/11 was
>> what
>> precipitated a change...I tell you, people are funny.
>>
>> So, I hope you and Humphrey Bogart have many more adventures.
>>
>> May I ask a question out of curiosity? Do you have partial vision?
>> It just sounded like you might.  No problem--smile--just curious.
>>
>> Dan W. and the Carter Nut
>>
>>
>>
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