[nagdu] places a guide dog can't go

Fri Oct 29 01:28:15 UTC 2010

Peter,
    The agency we need to talk to - and are beginning a dialogue with - is 
the United States Department of Agriculture. We have an ally in the form of 
a zookeeper/vetrinarian here in Florida helping us with this issue.

Fraternally yours,
Marion Gwizdala


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go


> Hello Lyn and everyone,
>
>    I've been in this exact same environment with several of my dogs 
> without
> any problems. Someone needs to talk to these zoos about the ADA.
> We also need to ensure that our state white cane laws are in line with the
> ADA as well. If California still excludes guide dogs from zoos this matter
> needs to be addressed.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>
>
> Hi guys,
> I don't bring a guide dog into the petting zoo enclosures. Our zoo doesn't
> allow it.  I would think that the dog's presence would really upset the
> animals in the enclosure - animals like deer, sheep, and other things.
> Plus, you've got TONS of little kids running around and our dogs would
> become a part of the petting zoo!  Not a place I go to much - unless I go
> with a young member of the family. On those excursions, I put Landon in 
> the
> zoo's assistance dog kennels.  If I go to the zoo alone or with a friend, 
> I
> usually keep Landon with me and just don't go to the aviaries or petting 
> zoo
> parts.
>
> If anyone has brought their guide to a petting zoo, what do the other
> animals do when they found a dog in their enclosure with them?  Landon has
> no problem with other animals.  He's good with our guinea pigs, rabbits, 
> and
> rats we broing to Humane Society visitations.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>
>
>> Thanks!  i knew that some people had success with guides in petting zoos,
>> but I wasn't sure of the legal requirements there.
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>> Julie
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>
>>
>>> Hello Julie and everyone,
>>>
>>>    I'd be careful about zoos. There are areas where guide dog teams have
>>> had direct contact with animals and there were no problems. Petting zoos
>>> are
>>> an example of this where the public is encouraged to come in and pet the
>>> animals. I have been in many such environments with several of my dogs
>>> and
>>> there were no problems resulting from the presence of my dog. The NFB 
>>> has
>>> fought in some states to gain access to zoos by guide dog teams so do
>>> your
>>> homework on this one.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Julie J" <julielj at windstream.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL  Confession time, I'm working on my book about guide dogs.  I have a
>>> couple of examples of places  that guides can be excluded, but I thought
>>> you
>>> guys might jog something loose in my head of other places or other 
>>> issues
>>> I
>>> wanted to address.
>>>
>>> I promise not to use information or quotes from anyone without
>>> permission.
>>>
>>> thanks!
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>
>>>
>>>> And now I've got to ask, what are you doing with this information?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Julie J
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:18 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm, not sure.  they definitely wouldn't be if they participated in 
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> government hot lunch program or got any other government money.    I'll
>>>> have
>>>> to think more on it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Julie
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Julie McGinnity" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:52 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] places a guide dog can't go
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What about private schools?  I'm pretty sure they are not covered
>>>>> either.  I could be wrong about this though.  Not an expert on ADA.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/27/10, Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I knew a guy who occasionally had to work in a "clean room" in a
>>>> factory.
>>>>>> Whatever was being made was very sensitive to dust and such.  He had
>>>> to
>>>>>> wear a special suit, and he couldn't have his dog with him.
>>>>>> That's not really a public access thing, though.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to come up with a list of places that are not covered
>>>> under
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ADA in regard to public access.  I'm really struggling to come up
>>>> with
>>>>>>> very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far I'm thinking:
>>>>>>> *places of religious worship, when there are no other programs open
>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> public or state or federal funds involved
>>>>>>> *private homes
>>>>>>> *sterile health care environments, like operating rooms
>>>>>>> *zoos when there is direct contact with animals
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are these correct?  Are there any others that anyone can think of?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks much!
>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
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>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Julie McG
>>>>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
>>>>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
>>>>> Eyes for the Blind
>>>>>
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
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>>>>> John 3:16
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