[nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program

Wed Apr 20 17:26:50 UTC 2011

Hey, Lisa, we can teach Bernie to follow if you want.  We can start in a non 
crowded place to teach him the concept of the "Follow" command and what he 
is to do. We can then work up to follow the designated person in a more busy 
area.

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program

> TOday is a good example of when it would have been beneficial to know how 
> to use a follow command. Bernie and I kind of followed Landon and his 
> handler through very busy areas. I was frustrated and I think Bernie was 
> just trying to do his best and seemed confused.
>
> Lisa and Bernie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] follow was Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>
>
>> Hi Julie.
>> I'm not sure either, but I think having a conversation with the person 
>> I'm
>> trying to follow helps.  I think it helps keep Ben focussed on the 
>> person,
>> and helps me know if he's getting other ideas and heading elsewhere.
>> Tracy
>>
>>> To all of you who have taught the follow command, can you share tips on
>>> how
>>> you did it?
>>>
>>> I taught Belle, but I don't really remember completely how I did it. 
>>> She
>>> picked it up very easily and was one of those dogs who would follow to 
>>> the
>>> exclusion of all else.
>>>
>>> I've been working on the concept with Monty off and on for a while now,
>>> but
>>> he isn't very good at following.  He wants to be out front and in the
>>> lead.
>>> that's fine most of the time, but sometimes I do need him to follow, 
>>> like
>>> yesterday when we were following someone in a parking lot to a 
>>> particular
>>> car.
>>>
>>> Thoughts? Ideas?
>>> Julie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Sheila Leigland" <sleigland at bresnan.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:51 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>
>>>
>>>> When I got my first dog I taught him to follow on my own. They don't
>>>> want
>>>> the dogs to just follow people so they don't risk teaching it.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Lyn Gwizdak <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>>
>>>> Carin,
>>>> I've known several people who got dogs at Pilot.  They went during the
>>>> 80s
>>>> and 90s and they had traffic training and their dogs worked fine as far
>>>> as
>>>> I
>>>> could see.  What I did hear is that they don't teach the "Follow"
>>>> command.
>>>> I have since heard that other schools aren't teaching the "Follow"
>>>> command
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>>> To me, the "Follow" command is a very good one that I use all the time
>>>> when
>>>> I'm in a store or just out and about with other guide dog users and I
>>>> don't
>>>> know the route - usually inside a mall or store.  Out on the street, I
>>>> use
>>>> the regular guide commands.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Karen Alexander" <kalex710 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 4:42 PM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Grave problems with Pilot Dogs program
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I spoke with Alec a member of Nagdu and a guide dog handler. I found 
>>>>>out
>>>>> that Pilot Dogs train their dogs for only three months. It seems that
>>>>> they
>>>>> are not thoroughly trained with traffic, etc. I am just in the
>>>>> beginning
>>>>> state of choosing an organization.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I could used input from anyone on this list regarding Pilot Dogs both
>>>>> positive and negative.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a grave concern to me to be given a dog who could put both of us
>>>>> in
>>>>> harms way. How can a service dog organization not be called out for
>>>>> unsafe
>>>>> dogs?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The newbie,
>>>>>
>>>>> Carin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen Alexander
>>>>>
>>>>> home:    330 864 8351
>>>>>
>>>>> mobile:  330 715 4690
>>>>>
>>>>> 710 White Pond Dr #705
>>>>>
>>>>> Akron, Ohio 44320
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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