[nagdu] hotels

Fri Apr 29 07:51:42 UTC 2011

Marion,

Thumbs up!

Lisa and Bernie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels

> Parker,
>    The issue of liability often arises when we, as blind consumers, assert 
> our rights to full and equal access of programs and facilities with our 
> sighted peers. The truth of the matter is that blind people pose no 
> greater liability than our sighted counterparts. However, if you have any 
> actuarial evidence that contradicts my assertion, I would be more than 
> interested in reviewing such objective statistical evidence.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion Gwizdala
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Owens, Parker" <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>
>
>> Of course. However, the university cannot rely on this method, they have 
>> liability.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Lisa Irving
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:57 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>> Parker,
>>
>> The Resident Assistants are hired to assist everyone, including doormies
>> with disabilities. Roomies can help one another as well as helping their
>> neighbors. This is called a natural support. It replaces the need to 
>> single
>> out or to exclude some one, particularly some one with a disability.
>>
>> Lisa and Bernie
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Owens, Parker" <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>
>>
>>> Can you see where it gets tricky in a university situation though? Some 
>>> of
>>> those kids start before age 18.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Marion Gwizdala
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:53 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>    "better customer service" is never a "perk" when it is 
>>> discriminatory.
>>> Under Title V of the Americans with Disabilities Act,
>>>
>>> "Nothing in this Act shall be construed to require an individual with a
>>> disability to accept an accommodation, aid, service, opportunity, or
>>> benefit
>>> which such individual chooses not to accept." (42 USC 12201(d))
>>>
>>> Therefore, requiring a person to accept an accommodation because the
>>> entity
>>> perceives a "need" for such an accommodation when the person doesn't 
>>> want
>>> it
>>> is considered discriminatory under the ADA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Owens, Parker" <Parker.Owens at EKU.EDU>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 8:58 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] hotels
>>>
>>>
>>>> Here's something you may not have thought of. What if there were a fire
>>>> in
>>>> the building or some other emergency? They may have directives with the
>>>> fire and police departments to check specific rooms first. In your 
>>>> case,
>>>> no problem. But imagine someone else that needs assistance that has
>>>> refused the 'accessible' room. You may not like it, but there are real
>>>> reasons the hotel may want to make the employees aware of your visit.
>>>> Better customer service is a perk, even though it is unequal.
>>>>
>>>> Where I work (a university), we have a box of information for emergency
>>>> workers at each dorm, that tells the names of students and the location
>>>> of
>>>> the rooms for anyone that might require assistance. It may be a 
>>>> terrible
>>>> invasion of privacy, but we are required to do this by the university
>>>> safety office.
>>>>
>>>> I hope I am not offending anyone by mentioning the other side of this.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Julie J
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] hotels
>>>>
>>>> I just had to write a quick vent before I head out for that training 
>>>> I'm
>>>> going to.
>>>>
>>>> I work for the county, but this training is being paid for through a
>>>> grant
>>>> from a regional prevention agency.  They are paying or reimbursing all
>>>> expenses, which is how I am able to go.  Throughout the year I attend
>>>> other events sponsored by this agency.  They all know me and of course
>>>> Monty.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the rough spot.  They set up the hotel as a direct bill to their
>>>> agency, which means that I didn't make my own reservation.  You know
>>>> where
>>>> this is going.  They told the hotel that I'm blind, have a guide dog, 
>>>> but
>>>> that I'm very independent and they don't need to worry about me. 
>>>> AARGH!
>>>> just AARGH!
>>>>
>>>> So I've been told that the hotel has no problem with the dog.  Yeah, I
>>>> was
>>>> real worried about that.  I have also been put on the first floor, 
>>>> which
>>>> I
>>>> don't care one way or another about.  But I am oh so relieved to know
>>>> that
>>>> the hotel is okay with me coming! *sarcastic smile*
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing to be done about it really.  I did try to explain to 
>>>> the
>>>> lady who made the reservation for me that all of that extra info was
>>>> unnecessary and that I'm pretty well  accustomed to speaking up for
>>>> myself
>>>> and my rights.
>>>>
>>>> I hope the next few days are not one long saga like this.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
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