[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Tue Dec 27 22:49:47 UTC 2011


Well, she could stop in Michigan to refuel!  And get more shoes!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Ray" <cindyray at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane


> Tami, it's a long walk to New York, isn't it? LOL. Oh, guess that wasn't 
> quite what you said.
>
> On Dec 27, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:
>
>> Take me with you! We had to put off our dream to do the long trip across 
>> and around the US for another year, at least, but I am still just dying 
>> to do Boston! And New Yok, of course. When we talk about our much-lanned 
>> but still delayed trip, I make sure DD is under no delusions that when I 
>> say Do Boston or Do New York, I am not talking about a drive by! I mean a 
>> couple of weeks, on our feet and on the go anywhere and everywhere!
>>
>> He's a driver, not a walker, so he does a lot of noncommittal grumping at 
>> this point. Okay! Then you can drive and meet us places you want to go. 
>> Mitzi and I are going to take off and walk! /lol/
>>
>> Can't wait!
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 12/27/2011 02:16 PM, Lyn Gwizdak wrote:
>>> All this Boston talk makes me wish I could afford to go visit for a week
>>> or so - preferably during the LGBT Pride so I couold see all my old
>>> friends!
>>>
>>> Landon and I would fit in with our Irish red coloring. When I visited
>>> Boston last, I still had Jacob and he enjoyed working in Boston.
>>>
>>> So, the Combat Zone is no more????? How did that happen - a miracle for
>>> sure. I used to go there with my boss for a few drinks as we enjoyed the
>>> scenery...so to speak.
>>>
>>> Lyn and Landon
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>
>>>
>>>> That's very funny, Mark.
>>>>
>>>> My folks are from Boston, from Dorchester, excuse me
>>>> "Dohchesteh".--smile.
>>>> I have many stories of how Floridians misunderstood their accent since 
>>>> I
>>>> grew up here in Florida and my folks of course were here having moved
>>>> down
>>>> in 1962.
>>>> .
>>>> One time my Mom was explaining that I was born with a problem with my
>>>> heart...the Southern lady she was talking to couldn't understand why I
>>>> was
>>>> born with problems with my hat..."hat", she asked incredulously, ,
>>>> "like on
>>>> your head?"
>>>>
>>>> I suppose to keep this slightly dog-related, I've been to Boston, but
>>>> not in
>>>> the eighteen years I've had guide dogs.
>>>> I liked the city when I visited, but that was when I was thirteen in
>>>> 1983.
>>>> Those of you with keen math minds will figure out by that one sentence
>>>> how
>>>> old I am--lol.
>>>> I enjoyed Cambridge, there were so many characters around there, I
>>>> loved it.
>>>>
>>>> Dan the man and Carter the nut
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:17 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>> Larry,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Boston Cream Pie is delicious, however the combat zone is no more. 
>>>> Thank
>>>> god. Boston has gentrified out a lot in the past several years. Also,
>>>> lots
>>>> of suburban kids are moving back to the city displacing lots of blue
>>>> collar
>>>> workers. Boston doesn't have the feal preserved in books and movies
>>>> like the
>>>> town. That is the boston of 20 years ago or more. The Boston of when my
>>>> parents were my age.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, a true Boston accent is something else. Sometimes, to
>>>> Midwesterners, I sound like I have the accent; however you have to
>>>> listen to
>>>> one of the real old-timers, one of the old shipyard workers, or
>>>> another of
>>>> the blue collar working boys to really get a feel for the accent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In Boston you do not recognize the letter "R" as a part of the English
>>>> language. We only have 25 letters in the alphabet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You know you are from Boston if
>>>>
>>>> You don't think you have an attitude.
>>>>
>>>> You have no idea what the word compromise means.
>>>>
>>>> You don't realize that you walk and talk twice as fast as everyone 
>>>> else.
>>>>
>>>> The words 'WICKED' and 'GOOD' go together.
>>>>
>>>> You own a "Yankees Suck" shirt or hat.
>>>>
>>>> You wear dungaress, not jeans.
>>>>
>>>> You can't understand why anybody would not like fried clams.
>>>>
>>>> 4:15pm and pitch black out means there's just 3 more shopping days 
>>>> until
>>>> Christmas
>>>>
>>>> And, on that note, shopping is a contact sport
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Driving rules for boston
>>>>
>>>> Whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
>>>> inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible. And if a pedestrian
>>>> ahead
>>>> of you steps in the road, speed up loudly and chase him back up on the
>>>> curb.
>>>>
>>>> Peds have no rights.
>>>>
>>>> it doesn't surprise you to see someone talking on their cell while
>>>> drinking
>>>> a coffee and driving with their knees.
>>>>
>>>> you can't go more than a few blocks without hearing a horn beeped.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, what drove me crazy, when I was at BLIND Inc, is I couldn't see a
>>>> Dunkin Donuts, ATM or CVS within eyeshot at all times. I can't
>>>> literally see
>>>>
>>>> them, however, you can't go more than a cupple blocks without passing
>>>> them,
>>>> and sometimes multiples of them.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:16 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I just want cream pie and to say that I walked by the Combat Zone! I
>>>>> read
>>>>> a lot of Robin Cook.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" 
>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
>>>>>> entrenched
>>>>>> in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston. Sometimes,
>>>>>> when
>>>>
>>>>>> I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still crowded.
>>>>>> Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Gwizdak"
>>>>>> <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
>>>>>>> early
>>>>>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone 
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> at least 55 would remember it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are 
>>>>>>> compared
>>>>>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded 
>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
>>>>>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is 
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the 
>>>>>>> mid
>>>>>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>
>>>>>>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so
>>>>>>> geared
>>>>>>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
>>>>>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest - 
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
>>>>>>>> about this song.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler"
>>>>>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>> day!
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan"
>>>>>>>>> <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I 
>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
>>>>>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just
>>>>>>>>>> under 2
>>>>>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
>>>>>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. 
>>>>>>>>>> However,
>>>>>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
>>>>>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day.
>>>>>>>>>> Prices
>>>>>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>>>>>>>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was 
>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>> 15 cense
>>>>>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like 
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> now. It
>>>>>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
>>>>>>>>>>> "Charley
>>>>>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
>>>>>>>>>>> life,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> because I put
>>>>>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to
>>>>>>>>>>> convince my
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> dad to
>>>>>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe 
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> reactions,
>>>>>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me 
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
>>>>>>>>>>> believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
>>>>>>>>>>>> wwell!
>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
>>>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> returning!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cared
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyones
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keepper!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stares.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and had
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation at
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in court
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cautious
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crowd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> killed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found it
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slow-witted, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (mostly) less
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> human being than if you are not. Better to be thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at a
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide Dog
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they saw
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs? I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hang
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrage
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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