[nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
Lyn Gwizdak
linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Fri Dec 30 01:24:40 UTC 2011
When you look at it, so many of the changes the ADA wanted in the envirnment
for safety for disabled and blind, I have found that the able bodied and
sighted have made just as great use of it as well. things like the curb
cuts - strollers and skateboard riders love them. the raised yellow strips
in the subway alert everyone that they are approaching danger. Everyone
even uses the audible light signals for street crossings.
My dog is such a smart A** that he will actually want to start to cross a
street upon hearing the audible signal! Of course, I don't let him do that!
LOL!
Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
I am in the park street station all the time. I live only about 4 blocks
from it. I will definitely work my new dog in there. That place is
constantly under construction and always changing.
The MBTA has added a bright yellow rumble strip type thing along the sides
of the pit/tracks on all lines. I think this improves safety for blind and
sighted alike. Many times I have been talking to someone with there back to
the tracks, they took a step backwards shifting there wait or whatnot, hit
the rumble strip, and quickly increased the distance between them and the
pit.
One of the things I don’t like about the MBTA is the stop announcements are
often incorrect or missing all together. Any suggestions for keeping track
of what stop you are at without asking someone or hearing the announcements.
I will ask someone, if available, however that is not always the case.
Thank you to all of you who have answered my questions. Also, apologies to
the moderators for straying a bit off topic.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
When I was in Boston in the 80s, parts of Dorchester were coming around with
a group of gay men buying up the old Victorian homes there. I had the
occassion to visit one of them and what a fantastic job they did! The fancy
moulding, stained glass windows in the old doors, and even Victorian
furniture. And I remember Columbia Point when it was really crappy there.
the Kennedy Library and the newer UMASS campus has helped fix up that area
better.
I really liked doing subway work with my dogs when I lived in Boston. My
dogs even learned which way the train would come from and watch down the
tunnel from the platform. On the Red, Blue, and Orange Lines, one has to
make sure the dog doesn't go to near the pit because the third rail is there
which is electrified. An old friend's dog took her too close to the pit and
my friend fell off into the pit hitting the third rail which causeed her
cardiac arrest. She died a couople of days later. It was very hot out that
day and she passed out from the heat. The Green Line is safer with the
tracks on level with the platform - or it was that way when I rode it last
in 2005.
At Seeing Eye, we go to the Morristown train station to practice watching
out for the pit with the tracks. And we go to Manhattan in NYC and ride the
subway while in training.
A good place to go train with the Fidelco trainer is the Red Line at Park
Street Station - under the Green Line part of the station. there is a place
where you come out onto a central platform with trains arriving on either
side of this platform.
Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
I went to high school right next to Umass Boston. That part of Dorchester is
quiet, however, other parts are not so much. It is true about neighborhoods
having a bad reputation from 40 years ago that still sticks with them. There
are some nice apartments out on Columbia point. 30 years ago, it was one of
the worst housing projects in the country. That is probably the part of
Dorchester you were in. it’s now luxury apartments over looking the harbor.
The land under Umass Boston and Boston College High School was once the town
dump. It is amazing the transformations cities go threw in just a short
amount of time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "wmodnl wmodnl" <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
Sounds alot like some parts of Brooklyn or The Bronx, NYC. They are known
as rough; yet, they have improved over the years. I think Umass Boston is
actually in that section of the city. IT seams like a quiet section- right
on the water. Me and my guide flew down those streets- no one was out late
evening.
William O’Donnell,
Independent Distributer,
Organo Gold Enterprises INC.
http://www.willsholistics.organogold.com
> From: kramc11 at gmail.com
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:58:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
> Got to love the dirty dot. Dorchester, is still sort of a ruff area of the
> city, however I went to high school there. Cambridge, while not
> technically
> part of Boston is an interesting place. Lots of fun characters as you
> said.
> I like to ride the "T" out to Kendall Square and go hang out in Cambridge.
>
>
>
> Quite sad that they got rid of most of the old squares.
>
>
>
> I am wondering if a dog makes a crime deterrent? Sometimes I have to go to
> sketchy parts of the city, while I have never had problems; sometimes I am
> wishing I was driving in a Bradley.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Weiner" <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
>
>
> > That's very funny, Mark.
> >
> > My folks are from Boston, from Dorchester, excuse me
> > "Dohchesteh".--smile.
> > I have many stories of how Floridians misunderstood their accent since I
> > grew up here in Florida and my folks of course were here having moved
> > down
> > in 1962.
> > .
> > One time my Mom was explaining that I was born with a problem with my
> > heart...the Southern lady she was talking to couldn't understand why I
> > was
> > born with problems with my hat..."hat", she asked incredulously, , "like
> > on
> > your head?"
> >
> > I suppose to keep this slightly dog-related, I've been to Boston, but
> > not
> > in
> > the eighteen years I've had guide dogs.
> > I liked the city when I visited, but that was when I was thirteen in
> > 1983.
> > Those of you with keen math minds will figure out by that one sentence
> > how
> > old I am--lol.
> > I enjoyed Cambridge, there were so many characters around there, I loved
> > it.
> >
> > Dan the man and Carter the nut
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Mark J. Cadigan
> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 11:17 PM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >
> > Larry,
> >
> >
> >
> > Boston Cream Pie is delicious, however the combat zone is no more. Thank
> > god. Boston has gentrified out a lot in the past several years. Also,
> > lots
> > of suburban kids are moving back to the city displacing lots of blue
> > collar
> > workers. Boston doesn't have the feal preserved in books and movies like
> > the
> > town. That is the boston of 20 years ago or more. The Boston of when my
> > parents were my age.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, a true Boston accent is something else. Sometimes, to
> > Midwesterners, I sound like I have the accent; however you have to
> > listen
> > to
> > one of the real old-timers, one of the old shipyard workers, or another
> > of
> > the blue collar working boys to really get a feel for the accent.
> >
> >
> >
> > In Boston you do not recognize the letter "R" as a part of the English
> > language. We only have 25 letters in the alphabet.
> >
> >
> >
> > You know you are from Boston if
> >
> > You don't think you have an attitude.
> >
> > You have no idea what the word compromise means.
> >
> > You don't realize that you walk and talk twice as fast as everyone else.
> >
> > The words 'WICKED' and 'GOOD' go together.
> >
> > You own a "Yankees Suck" shirt or hat.
> >
> > You wear dungaress, not jeans.
> >
> > You can't understand why anybody would not like fried clams.
> >
> > 4:15pm and pitch black out means there's just 3 more shopping days until
> > Christmas
> >
> > And, on that note, shopping is a contact sport
> >
> >
> >
> > Driving rules for boston
> >
> > Whenever possible, stop in the middle of a crosswalk to ensure
> > inconveniencing as many pedestrians as possible. And if a pedestrian
> > ahead
> > of you steps in the road, speed up loudly and chase him back up on the
> > curb.
> >
> > Peds have no rights.
> >
> > it doesn't surprise you to see someone talking on their cell while
> > drinking
> > a coffee and driving with their knees.
> >
> > you can't go more than a few blocks without hearing a horn beeped.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, what drove me crazy, when I was at BLIND Inc, is I couldn't see a
> > Dunkin Donuts, ATM or CVS within eyeshot at all times. I can't literally
> > see
> >
> > them, however, you can't go more than a cupple blocks without passing
> > them,
> > and sometimes multiples of them.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> > To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >
> >
> >>I just want cream pie and to say that I walked by the Combat Zone! I
> >>read
> >>a lot of Robin Cook.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> >> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:22 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >>
> >>
> >>>I am definitely not that old, however, that song is so heavily
> >>>entrenched
> >>>in Boston lore, that even I know it. lol.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If you want croudes and crowds of people, come to Boston. Sometimes,
> >>> when
> >
> >>> I go out, at 2 or 3 in the morning, the sidewalks are still crowded.
> >>> Figure that. And, it's nothing like New York or DC.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:14 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> "Charley on the MTA" was a very popular song in the late 1950s or
> >>>> early
> >>>> 1960s - think it was sung by the Kingston Trio. So, yeah, anyone over
> >>>> at least 55 would remember it.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is amazing how much more crowded the streets in Boston are
> >>>> compared
> >>>> to San Diego. Sometimes I really have to look hard for a crowded
> >>>> place
> >>>> to give Landon crowd practise. Usually street fairs work well and
> >>>> sometimes at the Embarcadero when a cruise ship is in port and it is
> >>>> a
> >>>> wonderful weekend day when the sun shines and the temps are in the
> >>>> mid
> >>>> 70s during the summer. Most people drive here and don't walk - or
> >>>> rather
> >
> >>>> it is hard to walk some places because Southern California is so
> >>>> geared
> >>>> to cars rather than walking, biking, or puplic transportation.
> >>>> Landon likes the crowds so he isn't bored and has alot to watch out
> >>>> for
> >>>> than a boring walk in the neighborhoods - except for Hillcrest -
> >>>> where
> >>>> there's hardly any people on the sidewalks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> >>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:34 PM
> >>>> Subject: [nagdu] MBTA was Re: beginning to use a cane
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Lol. True. Funny how so many people from all over the country know
> >>>>> about this song.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> >>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:23 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> But, you can get off the thing and not have you're lunch thrown
> >>>>>> every
> >>>>>> day!
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:36 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not having been around way back then, I wouldn't know, but I would
> >>>>>>> assume so, but, the T still costs a lot of money. Almost $7.00 to
> >>>>>>> ride the commuter rail, something similar for the boat, just under
> >>>>>>> 2
> >>>>>>> bucks for the subway, busses, Greene line trolley, and whatnot.
> >>>>>>> Parking at one of the T stations is also quite expensive. However,
> >>>>>>> parking in the city can run up to $50 a day depending ware u are
> >>>>>>> parking. At the parking lot next to my doarm it is $30 a day.
> >>>>>>> Prices
> >>>>>>> around hear are ridiculous.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>> Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:08 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Wasn't fifteen cents a lot of money back then though?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Mark J. Cadigan
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If only the MTA now the MBTA or to us locals simply the T was
> >>>>>>>> only
> >>>>>>>> 15 cense
> >>>>>>>> like it is in the song. It's up over $1.50 or something like that
> >>>>>>>> now. It
> >>>>>>>> varies by station and line what they charge. I just lode up my
> >>>>>>>> "Charley
> >>>>>>>> Card" and refill it when it runs out.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To keep this on subject, I have always used my cane my entire
> >>>>>>>> life,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> notice the varying reactions when I have it, and when I don't
> >>>>>>>> because I put
> >>>>>>>> it down to do something or whatnot. I am still trying to convince
> >>>>>>>> my
> >
> >>>>>>>> dad to
> >>>>>>>> walk around the city with one of my old canes just to observe the
> >>>>>>>> reactions,
> >>>>>>>> but he refuses. However, he still says that people react to me no
> >>>>>>>> differently than they do to him. Somehow I find this hard to
> >>>>>>>> believe.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:45 PM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Yeah, Larry, I did finally return and met Charlie on the MTA as
> >>>>>>>>> wwell!
> >>>>>>>>> LOL!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I didn't care about the stares either - and yeah, hope folks
> >>>>>>>>> liked
> >>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>> they saw! Nobody ever asked me for a date, either - sigh.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> >>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:46 AM
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> You just didn't want to use the MTA for fear of never
> >>>>>>>>>> returning!
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> understand your feelings though. I myself have never really
> >>>>>>>>>> cared
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>> what everyone else thaught. Yah, I was always kind of cocky
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> way. I
> >>>>>>>>>> remember while attending Northern Michigan University in 1981,
> >>>>>>>>>> when I
> >>>>>>>>>> gave my cane to a roommate. He was really unnerved by everyones
> >>>>>>>>>> stares.
> >>>>>>>>>> I followed him through the isles and folks thaught I was his
> >>>>>>>>>> keepper!
> >>>>>>>>>> When he gave me back my cane, he asked how I could stand all
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> stares.
> >>>>>>>>>> I told him I usually don't notice them but when I do, I hope
> >>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>>> what they're seeing! Especialy the girls!!
> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:14 PM
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] beginning to use a cane
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Buddy,
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think this is very true in that some folks would rather have
> >>>>>>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>>> think they are drunk rtather than someone seeing that they are
> >>>>>>>>>>> actually
> >>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired or blind. That is the stigma of blindness
> >>>>>>>>>>> talking!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember back in the early 1970s when I moved to Boston and
> >>>>>>>>>>> had
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> travel in an urban envirnment on my own. Previously to that, I
> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>> always with someone because there was no public transportation
> >>>>>>>>>>> at
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>>>> and I rode everywhere in a car. If I did walk, it was on quiet
> >>>>>>>>>>> residential streets going to or coming home from school. There
> >>>>>>>>>>> was a
> >>>>>>>>>>> shopping center nearby but on my side of a very busy street so
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>> never
> >>>>>>>>>>> had to cross that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In Boston, my friends introduced me to a white cane - I had
> >>>>>>>>>>> never
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> seen
> >>>>>>>>>>> one before! The blind people I grew up with never used canes.
> >>>>>>>>>>> They
> >>>>>>>>>>> went sighted guide with family members. At that time I could
> >>>>>>>>>>> see
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> quite
> >>>>>>>>>>> well although I was still legally blind. I could get around
> >>>>>>>>>>> pretty well
> >>>>>>>>>>> without any travel aids. But at night, I had NO vision and
> >>>>>>>>>>> needed a
> >>>>>>>>>>> cane. Previously, I NEVER went out at night except for
> >>>>>>>>>>> Halloween
> >>>>>>>>>>> where I
> >>>>>>>>>>> knew the neighborhood very well and next to no car traffic.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> When I started to use a cane, I did feel very self concious
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> that I
> >>>>>>>>>>> stuck out rather than blending in as I did in the past. I did
> >>>>>>>>>>> lose
> >>>>>>>>>>> enough vision to force the issue when a car almost ran me and
> >>>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>> roommate over - her dog did a great traffic check! I felt that
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>> now in more danger without the cane than with it. With the
> >>>>>>>>>>> cane,
> >>>>>>>>>>> drivers can see that I had a vision problem. So, I realized
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> it was
> >>>>>>>>>>> time to use the cane and it was good.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> AS far as being a bigger target for crime, yeah, this can
> >>>>>>>>>>> happen
> >>>>>>>>>>> because
> >>>>>>>>>>> the perp woould know the blind person could never identify
> >>>>>>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>>>>>> in court
> >>>>>>>>>>> or to a police officer. I think we just have to be more
> >>>>>>>>>>> cautious
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> aware of our surroundings than most sighted people do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Prior to cane use, people would think I was an idiot if I made
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> crossing error because I couldn't see the signal - days before
> >>>>>>>>>>> audible
> >>>>>>>>>>> signals, folks! With the cane, people didn't think this way
> >>>>>>>>>>> anymore
> >>>>>>>>>>> outright. They most likely thought I was now an idiot BECAUSE
> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>> blind! LOL!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think that the time someone needs to start using a cane and
> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> resistance to it isn't too unlike when a person has to give up
> >>>>>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>> drivers license. The driver gives up freedom and mobility. the
> >>>>>>>>>>> new
> >>>>>>>>>>> cane user gives up being able to melt into the rest of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> crowd
> >>>>>>>>>>> without
> >>>>>>>>>>> something to make him stick out like a sore thumb.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Using a cane is a decision that needs to be made by the person
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes a person needs a wake up call when they almost get
> >>>>>>>>>>> killed.
> >>>>>>>>>>> But I hope that most people don't wait to get killed before
> >>>>>>>>>>> using
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> cane!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I did finally do cane travel lessons under blindfold and found
> >>>>>>>>>>> it
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>> beneficial to allowing my other senses to give me feedback
> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>> my eyes
> >>>>>>>>>>> couldn't give me. Although I prefer using a dog, I still do
> >>>>>>>>>>> use
> >>>>>>>>>>> my cane
> >>>>>>>>>>> regularly - especialy when grocery shopping when I have to
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrestle a
> >>>>>>>>>>> cart on and off the bus and the dog gets in the way.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Merry Christmas and Happy Honakka every one!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>> Users"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 6:34 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I can. There are some people out there, believe it or not, who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>think
> >>>>>>>>>>>>it's much preferable to be thought drunk, stoned, rude,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>slow-witted, or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>any number of other things, so long as no one thinks that they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>blind. After all, if you're blind, you are necessarily less
> >>>>>>>>>>>>capable,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>less self-reliant, less independent, less able, and (mostly)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>less
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>of a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>human being than if you are not. Better to be thought sighted
> >>>>>>>>>>>>and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>[insert any impairing condition] than to be thought of as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>blind.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Much
> >>>>>>>>>>>>better.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you guys explain?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I wa talking to a guy who has RP. He said people think he's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> drunk. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> told him a cane would solve that problem. He told me he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane", which I took to mean he's okay with people thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> he's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wasted.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Can somebody explain. I don't get it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Tami Kinney
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:02 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did things kinda that way, too. So long as no one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> realized I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using it to compensate for tunnel vision and night
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> blindness.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> course, I did not have because I did *not* have Retinitis
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pigmentosa.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Denial, much, folks? /lol/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tami
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 04:22 PM, Brenda wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Interesting about using a tree branch. Growing up, we went
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> camping
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Dad. The first thing I would do would be find a hiking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not use it like you would a white cane, but it was still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We would hike a lot and my stick would tell me the terrain.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thing is,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would never have been allowed to use it at home since I had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20/200
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> vision. Too bad. Brenda
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2011 7:02 PM, Lea williams wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the thing about using a branch is that the branch is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heavier.
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this once for a couple of weeks when I left my cane over
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> family
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> house and they took that long to get it back to me. My arm
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurt a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause a branch is heavier.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It will work, but I would rather use a broom stick or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LOL,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sight for that one. If you could, you could request a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the NFB, it is strait, so if this is possible, get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use as a back up. I rather have a folding one though. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small ID one that I use. I love it better than the heavy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/11, Dan Weiner<dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just cut a limb from a tree, it will be just as useful as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a cane being a stick after all.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Doug Parisian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:18 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps a little better choice of friends and/or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> acquaintances
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the problem?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've had canes run over by cars, tripped over by some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> midget
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, and even attempted leadings by some unfortunate
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grabbing my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick by
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's end but never stolen. Must be the company I keep.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug: Raising Cain when Able.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (TASC)"<REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users'"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:53 PM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe the person needed it? I met a family that was new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country, had a member that was blind and wanted to know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane. I'm not sure they knew what a cane was until they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought "What a cool idea" and came over to talk to me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd had
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another one on me, I'd have probably given them the one
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They were hoping/expecting you could just buy one at any
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And, why not buy a few backup canes that meet your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> canes
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like shoes, I have one I use but I also have a few
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backups
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet my
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs, a broken cane serves me no purpose so I don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hang
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> onto
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I wouldn't hang onto shoes I couldn't wear. Ditto for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too long, it'd be like hanging onto shoes that were too
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this seems to happen a fair bit to you, can you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something you hang onto like apurse? Or just keep the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strap
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrist so you are in contact with it when it isn't in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What happened was wrong, I'm just not feeling the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outrage
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be feeling here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Brittney N. Mejico
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 6:27 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guide
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dog
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Users
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is really awful who would do such a thing. Hope you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get a new
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cain
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Mardi Hadfield
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:59 AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Some one stole my cane !
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi every one, Mardi here. I went Christmas shopping the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other day
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and some
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one stole my white cane.I keep it in a leather holster
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouch
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attached to my wheelchair when I am not using it. It is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite snug
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so it is impossible for it to have fallen out.When I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed to the bus station,I reached for it so I could
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wheelchair bay when I got on the bus. It was not their!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus so it disappeared somewhere between the bus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> station
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> store.The only time I use it when I have my dog with me
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the bus.This is the second time someone has stolen a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is extremely annoying as I can not afford to buy another
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one until
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> month.I have an old broken one and a very long NFB cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when I went out to pay a bill,I had to use the very Long
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB cane
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not take the dog with me in Carla's car.This cane would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fine if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walking but is way to long for use with a wheelchair.It
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also has a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mettle
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tip which gets caught in every crevice and pokes me in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face.I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know why someone would want to steal a blind person's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cane???????
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fake
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service dogs, now fake blind people? What is happening
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mardi and Shaman
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger-lakota.blogspot.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://wolfsinger2-thegoldendragon.blogspot.com
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