[nagdu] re the truth is out

GARY STEEVES rainshadowmusic at shaw.ca
Thu Feb 10 17:18:25 UTC 2011 

Hello Steve:

That is interesting. Can you share which agency is no longer using poodles? There are already so few. Personally, I quite like poodles so was happy that circumstances worked out that I was able to. I really enjoy havig a dog that doesn't shed, allergetically or not. :)

To be honest, if there was not a non shedding , supposedly non-allergitic solution for a guide dog I probably wouldn't have got one at this time. I think, like Julie, if I had to get a different breed I would love a dobi but all these thoughts are hoefully many years away. I'm waiting to see how Tami's goal of convincing Mitsi   to work forever works so I know exactly how to approach the issue with Bogart. 

Thank you for the information though. I had heard some mention of working on lab breeding that was hopeful to minimize allergies when I was doing my school and breed research.

Warm regards
Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] re the truth is out
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> Gary,
> Sorry, but the secret is out with at least one Dog Guide agency 
> as they will
> no longer train poodles due to the fact that they are not non-
> allergenic.They are looking at lower allergy labs instead.  
> This agency has been using
> and training poodles since 1950.  
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf
> Of GARY STEEVES
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 5:12 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] re the truth is out
> 
> 
> Hi Tami:
> 
> I think we should keep our little secret between you, me, mitsi 
> and bogart,
> ok?
> 
> Gary
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011 12:09 pm
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crisis Averted!
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
> > Gary,
> > 
> > I've wondered about the porties, but never when I actually had 
> > time to do
> > more than wonder.  Interesting to hear they're included 
> in the
> > hypoallergenic breeds being considered as guide and service 
> > dogs.  Now I can
> > move on to wondering what the results will be.  /smile/
> > 
> > Okay, now that we've both blabbed the secret truth about 
> poodles 
> > and dander,
> > do we need to go into hiding now that we've betrayed the 
> > movement?  I am
> > just dying lately to disguise my poodle as a baby tiger for 
> some 
> > reason./lol/
> > 
> > Tami Smith-Kinney
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> > On Behalf
> > Of GARY STEEVES
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:39 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crisis Averted!
> > 
> > Hi Doug:
> > 
> > Yes you know, and I know, that dog dander is dog dander which 
> > means any dog
> > may create an allergic reaction from a person with said 
> > allergies. However,
> > marketing is everything. This means people really believe that 
> > non-shedding
> > dogs are hypoallerginic. I won't tell them if you don't. :)
> > 
> > Interestingly enough while I was at my school last year there 
> > were a couple
> > of portuguese water dogs in the foster family stage.  
> > Someone had donated
> > them. They didn't get selected to be dog guides but did make 
> it 
> > into their
> > hearing program.  I think they ended up being smaller 
> than 
> > they thought
> > they'd end up being but I thought it was interesting that they 
> > were seeing
> > how other breeds would do. Thinking outside the lab and golden 
> > box. ;)
> > 
> > Gary with non-allergitic Bogart the poodle >big smile>
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> > Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011 10:46 am
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crisis Averted!
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
> Dog 
> > Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > 
> > > Now I'm wondering:
> > > How successful have those poodle-users on list found the 
> lure 
> > of a
> > > hypo-allergenic dog been to the general public.
> > > Do those  same allergic or possibly allergic folks who 
> > will 
> > > piss and moan
> > > when I,a lab handler, get in proximity with my 
> > > dog    just step aside and
> > > say "Oh, good I won't be allergic to your dog, I don't mind 
> > him 
> > > in my car,
> > > house, or near me?"
> > > 
> > > As I understand it, dog dander is dog dander and though 
> there 
> > > are breeds
> > > which cause less allergenic reactions than others, still 
> they 
> > > have dog
> > > dander  and could trigger one.
> > > 
> > > Dan W. and Carter 
> > > 
> > > 
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