[nagdu] re the truth is out

Tamara Smith-Kinney tamara.8024 at comcast.net
Thu Feb 10 18:02:24 UTC 2011 

Gary,

Yeah, I'm all afire with curiosity myself.  Not because I need to fact the
information into my own decision making process, since I am hooked on
poodles!  Dobie's are my second choice, too, but I don't need to worry about
that since Mitzi is going to live forever because I told her to and she
always does exactly what I tell her to do.  /grin/

As a cience geek and sci-fi nut, I also have a plan to achieve the
live-forever goal by having her cloned in a few years, since the technology
is maturing enough to make that doable, and the price may have come down
quite a ways.  Also, that way, I can have her raise and train herself, with
a little help from me, of course.  Vengeance at last!  /lol/

What's really funny is getting to see how some of our pet dog buddies
actually pick up some of the finer points of guide work from her just from
taking walks with us.  Daisy knows the basic command set and where to stand
and what to do from watching us walk across parking lots from the car.  She
is dying to be a guide dog!  She also picks up other behaviors from Mitzi,
who is apparently pretty skilled at teaching the old dog new tricks.  We
practice "under" with her at the dinner table, while Daisy lays beside her
dad's seat, and this has been our established pattern for a couple of years
now.  That way, when we have company, our dogs just do what they do when
it's dinner time because it's just ritual.

Only for some reason Daisy has decided to start practicing under like Mitzi
does, which disgruntles Mitzi a bit because when it's just us at the small
table, there's nto really room for two dogs.  /lol/

Daisy turns 11 in a month or thereabouts, and she's still picking up stuff
like a puppy.  When she was much abused but never actually trained, so we
still have some things to work out, espeically in the barking department.  I
recently discovered that I have inadvertently trained her to come bouncing
up to me happily when I show her the muzzle when she's barking in the back
yard.  Since she's not barking and is coming when I call, I don't put the
muzzle on.  We just come inside and I give her a treat to reward her for
being quiet and coming in, so Bob's your uncle.

I have also accidentally trained the dogs to engage in rowdy loud play when
I put Mitzi's jingle on.  Oops!  Now I have to figure out how to convince
them that just because I turn Mitzi into jingle poodle, I am not then
required to play and it does not mean some free sing/bark for Daisy.  Who
knew?  /lol/

Tami Smith-Kinney

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of GARY STEEVES
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:18 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] re the truth is out

Hello Steve:

That is interesting. Can you share which agency is no longer using poodles?
There are already so few. Personally, I quite like poodles so was happy that
circumstances worked out that I was able to. I really enjoy havig a dog that
doesn't shed, allergetically or not. :)

To be honest, if there was not a non shedding , supposedly non-allergitic
solution for a guide dog I probably wouldn't have got one at this time. I
think, like Julie, if I had to get a different breed I would love a dobi but
all these thoughts are hoefully many years away. I'm waiting to see how
Tami's goal of convincing Mitsi   to work forever works so I know exactly
how to approach the issue with Bogart. 

Thank you for the information though. I had heard some mention of working on
lab breeding that was hopeful to minimize allergies when I was doing my
school and breed research.

Warm regards
Gary


----- Original Message -----
From: Steven Johnson <blinddog3 at charter.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011 5:39 pm
Subject: Re: [nagdu] re the truth is out
To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> Gary,
> Sorry, but the secret is out with at least one Dog Guide agency 
> as they will
> no longer train poodles due to the fact that they are not non-
> allergenic.They are looking at lower allergy labs instead.  
> This agency has been using
> and training poodles since 1950.  
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf
> Of GARY STEEVES
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 5:12 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [nagdu] re the truth is out
> 
> 
> Hi Tami:
> 
> I think we should keep our little secret between you, me, mitsi 
> and bogart,
> ok?
> 
> Gary
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tamara Smith-Kinney <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011 12:09 pm
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crisis Averted!
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
> > Gary,
> > 
> > I've wondered about the porties, but never when I actually had 
> > time to do
> > more than wonder.  Interesting to hear they're included 
> in the
> > hypoallergenic breeds being considered as guide and service 
> > dogs.  Now I can
> > move on to wondering what the results will be.  /smile/
> > 
> > Okay, now that we've both blabbed the secret truth about 
> poodles 
> > and dander,
> > do we need to go into hiding now that we've betrayed the 
> > movement?  I am
> > just dying lately to disguise my poodle as a baby tiger for 
> some 
> > reason./lol/
> > 
> > Tami Smith-Kinney
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> > On Behalf
> > Of GARY STEEVES
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:39 AM
> > To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crisis Averted!
> > 
> > Hi Doug:
> > 
> > Yes you know, and I know, that dog dander is dog dander which 
> > means any dog
> > may create an allergic reaction from a person with said 
> > allergies. However,
> > marketing is everything. This means people really believe that 
> > non-shedding
> > dogs are hypoallerginic. I won't tell them if you don't. :)
> > 
> > Interestingly enough while I was at my school last year there 
> > were a couple
> > of portuguese water dogs in the foster family stage.  
> > Someone had donated
> > them. They didn't get selected to be dog guides but did make 
> it 
> > into their
> > hearing program.  I think they ended up being smaller 
> than 
> > they thought
> > they'd end up being but I thought it was interesting that they 
> > were seeing
> > how other breeds would do. Thinking outside the lab and golden 
> > box. ;)
> > 
> > Gary with non-allergitic Bogart the poodle >big smile>
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Weiner <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>
> > Date: Sunday, February 6, 2011 10:46 am
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] Crisis Averted!
> > To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide 
> Dog 
> > Users'"<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > 
> > > Now I'm wondering:
> > > How successful have those poodle-users on list found the 
> lure 
> > of a
> > > hypo-allergenic dog been to the general public.
> > > Do those  same allergic or possibly allergic folks who 
> > will 
> > > piss and moan
> > > when I,a lab handler, get in proximity with my 
> > > dog    just step aside and
> > > say "Oh, good I won't be allergic to your dog, I don't mind 
> > him 
> > > in my car,
> > > house, or near me?"
> > > 
> > > As I understand it, dog dander is dog dander and though 
> there 
> > > are breeds
> > > which cause less allergenic reactions than others, still 
> they 
> > > have dog
> > > dander  and could trigger one.
> > > 
> > > Dan W. and Carter 
> > > 
> > > 
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