[nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs

Lisa Irving lirving1234 at cox.net
Tue Feb 22 07:59:33 UTC 2011 

Yes, Lyn, Bernie and I have had similar experiences. I'm still willing to 
offer the handy wipes. I really don't expect the Muslim to accept it. It's 
more of a peace offering and my desire to show that individual that I'm 
trying to respect their religious practices around dogs.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs


> Hi Cheryl,
> I learned about this from a Muslim store owner in my neighborhood.  He had 
> no problem with my dog as long as my dog didn't touch him.  I was fine 
> aboout that and I did ask him about that rule so I would know about it. 
> He told me about dogs being "unclean" and that a person had to wash before 
> prayer. I thanked him for the explanation.  I think things go better if 
> people are willing to ask and learn respectfully about other's cultures 
> and religions.  I enjoy learning about these things.
>
> BUT, I will NOT accept discrimination in a taxi where my dog is on the 
> floor and making no contact with the driver. If I know someone is Muslim, 
> I take extra care to ensure that my dog dosen't touch the person or his 
> clothing.
>
> Lyn and Landon
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "cheryl echevarria" <cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs
>
>
>> It says in the Koran, that no man should eat from where the dog has 
>> licked.
>>
>> We are not eating from the plate that the person is eating from.  My ex 
>> is from Egypt as I mentioned I read and asked about the Koran.  We had 
>> dogs they had dogs, but when the dogs kisses you, you wash your hands. If 
>> you are sitting in the back seat of a car, that has nothing to do with 
>> touching the dog.
>>
>> The biggest compliment you can pay me is to recommend my services!
>>
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>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Doug Parisian<mailto:eggmann at mts.net>
>>  To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>> Users<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>  Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 7:16 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs
>>
>>
>>  Both in the US and Canada, we have laws guaranteeing specific rights to 
>> our
>>  citizens and the beliefs of other cultures do not trump these rights.  I
>>  have no plans to carry handwipes, or any other kind of wipes to folks 
>> who do
>>  not accept our laws, that is their problem, not mine.  With many cell
>>  phones, one can take pictures of such offenders and use them for all 
>> kinds
>>  of subsequent actions.
>>
>>  Doug: Suck it up buttercup!
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name<mailto:buddy at brannan.name>>
>>  To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>  <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>>  Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 5:51 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nagdu] Muslim cab drivers: not a slam on their beliefs
>>
>>
>>  > Is it just me, or does the washing unclean objects/body parts/etc. 
>> seven
>>  > times sound a little obsessive compulsive?
>>  > --
>>  > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
>>  > Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > On Feb 18, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Lisa Irving wrote:
>>  >
>>  >>
>>  >> Hi Dan,
>>  >>
>>  >> It can be exasperating when some one perceives their religious
>>  >> preferences supersede the law.
>>  >>
>>  >> I've discussed this matter; guide dogs riding in cabs driven by 
>> Muslim
>>  >> cab drivers. A Muslim friend of mine explained to me their hand 
>> washing
>>  >> rituals and why they frequently engage in this ritual. I get it. She 
>> also
>>  >> told me that the drivers who are insistant  that they won't transport 
>> a
>>  >> dog of any type, tends to be devout about his beliefs. Nevertheless, 
>> she
>>  >> agrees with me that such beliefs should not over ride laws. Together, 
>> we
>>  >> came up with a viable solution. I haven't been in a position where I 
>> have
>>  >> tried this.
>>  >>
>>  >> I'm all right carrying handy wipes and offering them to the devout
>>  >> Muslim. It's a gamble. The devout Muslim faith isn't going to 
>> disappear
>>  >> anytime soon, nor are my rights as a person with a disability. So,
>>  >> finding common ground and the middle plane seems to make logical
>>  >> sense. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Weiner"
>>  >> <dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net<mailto:dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net>>
>>  >> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog 
>> Users'"
>>  >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org<mailto:nagdu at nfbnet.org>>
>>  >> Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 3:16 PM
>>  >> Subject: [nagdu] And that reminds me of the cab driver issue
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>> And on the subject of cab drivers, it is patently ridiculous that
>>  >>> someone's
>>  >>> supposed religious concerns should even be an issue for us. I'm
>>  >>> referring to
>>  >>> the Muslim cab drivers you mentioned.
>>  >>> It just shows that our rights as blind people mean much less or 
>> nothing
>>  >>> at
>>  >>> all when compared to some idiot cab driver.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Dan W.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
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