[nagdu] shock collars used on service dogs

Lyn Gwizdak linda.gwizdak at cox.net
Thu Mar 3 20:36:07 UTC 2011 

Yeah, Marion probably has frizzy red hair!!!  I saw a picture of him on his 
website playing music and he had longish red hair - he and I match!

Lyn and Landon
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] shock collars used on service dogs


>
> Has anyone else besides me conjured up what it might look like to see the 
> seemingly mild mannered fellow, Marion, licking batteries and zinging 
> himself with a shock collar? We're just the cozy family, aren't we, guys. 
> LOL! ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] shock collars used on service dogs
>
>
>> Oh yeah, Marion about the electric fences and the hidden fences.
>>
>> My sister has an electric fence around her horse corral - it freaked out 
>> one of her dogs when it touched the fence!  But that dog never touched it 
>> again!
>>
>> One of the things I don't like about the hidden fence is that it may keep 
>> your dog in but it won't keep other dogs out!  I read a horrible story 
>> about a dog who was confined in its yard with this device and another dog 
>> came along and went into the yard and it attacked the resident dog almost 
>> killing the dog. I prefer the regular fences and having an electric wire 
>> running around it as well - keeps your dog in and other dogs out.
>>
>> Around here, people have "Coyote rollers" that are placed along the top 
>> of a fence.  If a coyote tried to get into the yard, the roller prevents 
>> it from getting a grip on the fence to launch itself inside with your 
>> livestock or dogs.  I hear it works pretty well.
>>
>> Lyn and Landon
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] shock collars used on service dogs
>>
>>
>>> Lyn,
>>>    I have a friend with a very large piece of property and three dogs. 
>>> He uses an invisible fence. It is my understanding that the shock the 
>>> dog gets is not very intense; sort of like touching your tongue to a 
>>> 9-volt battery. Now, I must admit I am not a masochist but I touch my 
>>> tongue to 9-volt batteries quite regularly to check their charge for my 
>>> microphone. It doesn't hurt but I don't leave it there for much longer 
>>> than 1/2 second. I suppose the dog wouldn't let the shock continue very 
>>> long! The collar of the invisible fence also gives off a beeping sound 
>>> when the dog approaches the perimeter and learns that the next thing 
>>> after the beep is the shock.
>>>    Now, I once had a very large German Shepherd that would climb my 
>>> fence and nothing we did would keep him in. Until, that is, we installed 
>>> an electric fence. The first time he touched the wire, he yelped. But he 
>>> never climbed the fence again! I touched the wire and got a jolt myself 
>>> just to see what the dog would experience. I never tried it again, 
>>> either!
>>>    This dog would also run back and forth along a portion of the fence 
>>> line with the neighbors dog. this created a rut about 10 feet long, 
>>> three feet wide and two feet deep. I took a wire that was not 
>>> electrified and strung it between two chairs. The dog looked at it and I 
>>> could see it in his eyes! "No way, Jose!"I filled in the rut and never 
>>> worried about it again!
>>>    My point is that I don't think shock collars are inhumane when used 
>>> correctly. Furthermore, I am of the opinion that service animal users 
>>> should have the right to own their dogs and not be subject to arbitrary 
>>> rules of how a program believes a dog should be treated. This is not to 
>>> say that I believe one has the right to treat their dog inhumanely or 
>>> otherwise abuse or neglect the dog. At the same time, I do not feel a 
>>> training program should be able to dictate what type of food a dog eats, 
>>> should expect a consumer to allow them unfettered access to their dog, 
>>> require the consumer to purchase insurance, and require them to send 
>>> them annual health records. All of these requirements open the door to 
>>> consumers being harrassed, intimidated, and otherwise treated 
>>> custodially or paternalistically. Such treatment is not in the best 
>>> interest of the consumer nor is it in the best interest of the training 
>>> program. If a training program wants to ensure the teams they train are 
>>> doing well, they must treat the consumer as the adults they are. If a 
>>> program has the right to repossess a dog, consumers will be hesitant to 
>>> advise them of problems they are having for fear they will have their 
>>> dogs taken from them.
>>>    If a program feels as if the dog is being mistreated through abuse or 
>>> neglect, there are laws in place in every jurisdiction to ensure this 
>>> does not happen and with rules of due process to protect the consumer 
>>> from arbitrary interference. If CCI were to have contacted animal 
>>> control authorities about the use of the shock collar, they would most 
>>> likely have investigated it and found there was no abuse. On the other 
>>> hand, CCI made a decision and are not bound by rules of due process. I 
>>> don't know all of the facts, but the real abuse here seems to be 
>>> perpetrated by CCI against this consumer.
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 1:54 PM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] shock collars used on service dogs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah, these collars come in several types.  There's one that works with 
>>>> an electric "hidden" fence.  A wire is embedded in the ground aroound 
>>>> the perimeter of your yard.  A collar is on the dog with a part that 
>>>> has a couple of blunt prongs that rest against the dog's throat. When 
>>>> the dog passes over the embedded wire, it gets a shock and learns to 
>>>> avoid going over that area.  Nasty.
>>>>
>>>> The one the CCI grad used is another kind that looks similar to the 
>>>> fence one - with the same type of prongs.  The owner holds a little 
>>>> device that remotely sends a shock to the dog when it doesn't obey a 
>>>> command or barks. Nasty!  I see these things for sale in all the dog 
>>>> supply catalogs and I wouldn't use these.  I'll bet alot of dogs get 
>>>> freaked out by these as people can just buy these things and not have a 
>>>> clue as to what these things can do to a dog emotionally.  Cruelty.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen CCI dogs and I don't think they condone the use of these 
>>>> devices at all.  This spring - usually the first or second Saturday in 
>>>> April - at their Woofstock, I'll ask about this.  Our dog food man 
>>>> usually has a booth there and I'll find out when this event is so we 
>>>> can go.  I've gone to this event twice.  There are TONS of service dogs 
>>>> and some pet dogs as well.  Dog distraction city! LOL! Great practice 
>>>> for the dogs and fun for us.
>>>>
>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Lisa Irving" <lirving1234 at cox.net>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 9:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Appeal denied,service dog will not be returned to 
>>>> Utah man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Shock collar? Just the thought shocks me. I'm troubled about using 
>>>>> Bernie's prong collar, yet I do, but, to use a shock collar? My dog 
>>>>> would crumble.
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Lyn Gwizdak" <linda.gwizdak at cox.net>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 12:45 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Appeal denied,service dog will not be returned to 
>>>>> Utah man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Quite interesting article and the reader responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is another thing to show that ownership needs to be given to the 
>>>>>> disabled person. There are ways to take dogs away from real abuse or 
>>>>>> neglect situations.  Glad I own Landon!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe CCI has some points as well. Because of the very long waiting 
>>>>>> list, people receiving service dogs really need to be using the dog 
>>>>>> as trained. Tough call. Shock collars????  I would think these would 
>>>>>> create a problem in a sensitive dog.  I don't know of any service or 
>>>>>> guide program that condones them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Landon
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <gingerKutsch at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 9:55 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Appeal denied, service dog will not be returned to 
>>>>>> Utah man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Appeal denied, service dog will not be returned to Utah man
>>>>>>> Published: Friday, Feb. 25, 2011 4:16 p.m. MST
>>>>>>> By Viviane Vo-Duc, Deseret News
>>>>>>> http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705367506/Appeal-denied-servic
>>>>>>> e-dog-will-not-be-returned-to-Utah-man.html
>>>>>>> 16 comments     PRINT | FONT + -  SALT LAKE CITY - A man who had
>>>>>>> his companion dog taken away will not be getting him back any
>>>>>>> time soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Gael Yonnet's service dog Elon was taken away a month ago by
>>>>>>> Canine Companions for Independence - the organization that
>>>>>>> partnered him with the yellow Labrador retriever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At the time, the organization said Yonnet's lifestyle and job
>>>>>>> were endangering the dog because he didn't keep Elon on a leash,
>>>>>>> especially on trips to the mountains.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gael Yonnet, Family photo
>>>>>>> Dr. Gael Yonnet, seen with his service dog, Elon, in December of
>>>>>>> 2009, was paralyzed in a snowboarding accident in 2006. In 2009,
>>>>>>> he received a service dog from Canine Companions for
>>>>>>> Independence. The organization recently took the dog away from
>>>>>>> Yonnet.
>>>>>>>>From the archive
>>>>>>> .Man's companion dog taken away in Utah; organization said dog in
>>>>>>> danger - Feb. 4, 2011
>>>>>>> http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705365793/Mans-companion-dog-t
>>>>>>> aken-away-in-Utah-organization-said-dog-in-danger.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yonnet said he understood their concern, especially after hearing
>>>>>>> the dog was not on a leash at all times. But he claims Elon was
>>>>>>> never in danger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He submitted an appeal, which included an iPetition with more
>>>>>>> than 5,000 Utahns supporting the dog's return.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a letter sent to Yonnet, Corey Hudson, CEO of CCI, said after
>>>>>>> reviewing the details of the case the staff had good reason to
>>>>>>> believe Elon's safety was in jeopardy and to take the dog back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You repeatedly allowed Elon to be off lead in unenclosed and
>>>>>>> urban environments, which is a serious safety concern for CCI."
>>>>>>> Hudson said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He also said Yonnet was very confrontational and, at one time,
>>>>>>> had a electronic collar on Elon, which was a serious breach of
>>>>>>> CCI's standards for treatment of its dogs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yonnet can appeal the decision to the national board of Canine
>>>>>>> Companions for Independence, which he plans to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elon is currently being taken care of by a foster family, which
>>>>>>> Yonnet says doesn't make sense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "He doesn't need a loving foster home," he said. "What he needs
>>>>>>> is his loving home, his own family, which is me."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In March of 2006, Yonnet had a snowboarding accident, which left
>>>>>>> him paralyzed from the waist down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He said Elon was trained to assist him with tasks, such as
>>>>>>> switching lights on and off, retrieving objects from the floor
>>>>>>> and opening doors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While he has been offered another service dog from a different
>>>>>>> organization, Yonnet says he just wants his "baby" back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E-mail: vvo-duc at ksl.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> COMMENTS (17)
>>>>>>> lost in DC | 4:05 p.m. Feb. 25, 2011
>>>>>>> West Jordan, UT
>>>>>>> too bad the dog is valued more than the person
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 5 Ute Fan In Utah | 4:34 p.m. Feb. 25,
>>>>>>> 2011
>>>>>>> West Jordan, UT
>>>>>>> The man breached the contract he had agreed to with the company.
>>>>>>> I don't blame them for taking Elon, I would have sooner if I had
>>>>>>> invested so much money into a dog. They make it pretty clear that
>>>>>>> the dog is not yours when they lend it to you.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 5 Sarah B | 4:50 p.m. Feb. 25, 2011
>>>>>>> SLC, UT
>>>>>>> I agree with Ute Fan. This is a highly educated adult who is
>>>>>>> fully capable of understanding and following the rules. It takes
>>>>>>> alot to train these dogs and there is a great need. If he can't
>>>>>>> play by the rules, then he doesn't get to play. The fact that he
>>>>>>> abused the dog by using a shock collar is grounds enough to take
>>>>>>> the dog away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd have much more sympathy if it was someone who was also
>>>>>>> mentally impaired. Rebellion gets no sympathy from me. He made
>>>>>>> his choices, despite warnings and now he has to deal with the
>>>>>>> consequences.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 4 Jim A | 5:09 p.m. Feb. 25, 2011
>>>>>>> Porter Ranch, California
>>>>>>> I have a conflicting opinion here. First, CCI doesn't charge for
>>>>>>> their dogs so point 1 for CCI. Second, the use of a shock collar
>>>>>>> on a service Dog is reprehensible under any circumstance. If this
>>>>>>> gentleman did in fact use a shock collar on this dog, that would
>>>>>>> be grounds for removal in my book. As for the off-lead part, that
>>>>>>> kind of depends. Sometimes a Service Dog's tasks require him to
>>>>>>> be off lead for a short period of time, and in a city atmosphere
>>>>>>> it could be very dangerous for the dog to be off lead. that said,
>>>>>>> if he was letting the dog off-lead in the mountains when hiking,
>>>>>>> as originally reported, I see less of an issue with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All in all, assuming the facts presented in this story are
>>>>>>> accurate, I have to support CCI's decision. These animals cost
>>>>>>> way to much to train for someone to be mistreating it with a
>>>>>>> shock collar or taking unnecessary risks it in a city
>>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 3 UU Fan | 5:25 p.m. Feb. 25, 2011
>>>>>>> Salt Lake City, UT
>>>>>>> I agree with Sarah. Dr Y wants his "baby" back but takes no
>>>>>>> responsibility for the fact that he is the reason that the dog
>>>>>>> was taken away despite repeated warnings. Off leash, shock
>>>>>>> collars, I'm appalled. I'm glad the organization is able to
>>>>>>> monitor the health and safety of their graduate teams and proceed
>>>>>>> to do the right thing.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 4 Beth38 | 7:05 p.m. Feb. 25, 2011
>>>>>>> Brockton, MA
>>>>>>> I am so glad that CCI cares enough about their dogs to remove
>>>>>>> Elon from such an irresponsible and vindictive man. He learned
>>>>>>> the rules during his two weeks at training to get the dog. He
>>>>>>> KNEW that the dog would remain CCI's dog, for reasons exactly
>>>>>>> like this one. He SIGNED a contract stating that he agreed with
>>>>>>> everything set forth in training, and with the understanding that
>>>>>>> they maintain ownership. Instead of working with the school when
>>>>>>> given opportunities, he CHOSE to ignore them and yet he cried
>>>>>>> foul when the dog was removed. Instead of handling this in a
>>>>>>> mature manner privately with the organization, he has chosen to
>>>>>>> lie to the general public about the situation on his numerous
>>>>>>> webpages as well as attempt. Anyone who wants to read the truth
>>>>>>> can visit CCI's website. And to those of you who humanize dog's
>>>>>>> emotions and think that poor Elon must be so sad: dogs don't
>>>>>>> think like we do. They don't mourn people. They don't look back.
>>>>>>> Think about it. Do you think Elon mourned his puppy raiser when
>>>>>>> the "good" doctor got him? Um. No.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 4 DisabilityAdvocate | 8:22 p.m. Feb.
>>>>>>> 25, 2011
>>>>>>> Alexandria, VA
>>>>>>> Regarding "Anyone who wants to read the truth can visit CCI's
>>>>>>> website", would you go to one half of a dispute to get unbiased
>>>>>>> information?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regarding the arguments regarding the contract, it does not state
>>>>>>> that the dog has to be on leash at all times. It does say that
>>>>>>> local leash and licensing laws need to be followed, and they
>>>>>>> were. Further, the ADA provides for service dogs being off leash
>>>>>>> but under voice control.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Yonnet is an inspiration to many disabled people. To take
>>>>>>> away a paraplegic's dog because he was off leash on rural
>>>>>>> mountain trails and in the hospital is sad. To further show
>>>>>>> pictures on your website (as CCI has done) of other dogs off
>>>>>>> leash in various environments and in another hospital makes this
>>>>>>> even more concerning. How is Dr. Yonnet's hospital and recreation
>>>>>>> more dangerous than that of other CCI graduates?
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 7 Krizzle | 12:09 a.m. Feb. 26, 2011
>>>>>>> Sandy, UT
>>>>>>> To UoU Fan: Gael did in fact take responsiblity that a certain
>>>>>>> times he did not have Elon leashed (of course many of those times
>>>>>>> were due to safety reasons). Cesar Millan has in the past
>>>>>>> supported the use of shock collars. They are a great use for
>>>>>>> obedience training if used properly. And to Beth who thinks
>>>>>>> everyone is consumed at humanizing Elon by associating them with
>>>>>>> human emotions: animals do mourn. Elon knows he's not with Gael.
>>>>>>> He's not receiving the same love and devotion that Gael gave him.
>>>>>>> Elon was never in trouble.
>>>>>>> Too many times I see animals out there being abused, neglected,
>>>>>>> taken advantage of. And Gael who treats this dog with the utmost
>>>>>>> respect gets him ripped out of his arms. CCI has done good for
>>>>>>> many people but this one situation they've handled horribly.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 0 ADA prevails | 12:54 a.m. Feb. 26,
>>>>>>> 2011
>>>>>>> Eastport, MD
>>>>>>> (1) There are numerous pictures on CCI's own web site and CCI's
>>>>>>> own videos that show dogs leash free outside; some of which are
>>>>>>> clearly in public areas. There are clearly two standards: one for
>>>>>>> CCI and one for Dr. Yonnet. This does bring to question CCI's
>>>>>>> motives or prejudice, perhaps?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) CCI's leash requirements are a violationws of the Americans
>>>>>>> with Disabilities Act (ADA), which provides latitude on leash
>>>>>>> requirements for persons in wheelchairs. And, ADA prevails unless
>>>>>>> a state law or contract provides more freedom for the person in
>>>>>>> the wheelchair...not the dog. The law protects the disabled
>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (3) I could not, in good conscience, recommend that anyone get a
>>>>>>> dog from CCI given the way they have treated Dr. Yonnet. It was
>>>>>>> obvious in the pictures that Elon was very happy with Gael. It
>>>>>>> was also obvious how much Gael loved Elon. To break these two up
>>>>>>> has now devastated both Gael and Elon. It is absolutely cold and
>>>>>>> heartless the way this was handled. I would never suppport nor
>>>>>>> encourage supporting CCI given this case. CCI has no heart if it
>>>>>>> can do this.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 0 Beth38 | 12:55 a.m. Feb. 26, 2011
>>>>>>> Brockton, MA
>>>>>>> Being an inspiration to disabled people has nothing to do with
>>>>>>> this matter. And honestly, I am a disabled person and he sickens
>>>>>>> me with the poor way he has chosen to deal with this issue. The
>>>>>>> dog is not his and never was. He had numerous opportunities to
>>>>>>> work with the school to take care of safety issues and he didn't.
>>>>>>> He didn't follow what he was told to do by the school that loaned
>>>>>>> him this dog.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 2 Sharon Kenzer | 1:37 a.m. Feb. 26,
>>>>>>> 2011
>>>>>>> Eastport, MD
>>>>>>> Dr. Yonnet and Elon were a family and an inspiration to so many
>>>>>>> people, including the veterans that were patients of Dr. Yonnet.
>>>>>>> While dealing with their own disabilities, it was extremely
>>>>>>> inspiring to see the full life that Gael was living with Elon.
>>>>>>> Elon inspired Gael to be active again, which gave hope to so many
>>>>>>> patients dealing with their own disabilities. Elon gave such
>>>>>>> comfort to many people, including patients, but mostly to Elon.
>>>>>>> To think that CCI would repo this dog for a fear of what could
>>>>>>> happen is tragic. Would one keep a child on a leash? When one
>>>>>>> fully reads Dr. Yonnet's explanation of what transpired, which
>>>>>>> has been consistent, there is no doubt he exercised good judgment
>>>>>>> for Elon's safety at all times.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last, comments by CCI supporters repeatedly refer to their leash
>>>>>>> requirements, however, there are CCI videos and CCI pictures
>>>>>>> where dogs are leash free in public areas. The more I read about
>>>>>>> this, the greater the injustice perpetrated on Gael and Elon. I
>>>>>>> don't believe for a minute that Elon isn't suffering the loss of
>>>>>>> Gael. CCI should return Elon.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 0 Love Dogs | 1:50 a.m. Feb. 26, 2011
>>>>>>> Tarzana, CA
>>>>>>> I applaud Canine Companions for Independance (CCI) for their
>>>>>>> decision to remove Elon from Gael. Tbe public statement from CCI
>>>>>>> can be read on their website on this issue....and for sure, it
>>>>>>> appears that they do not make a decision like this on a whim,
>>>>>>> only one in 500 dogs partnered are taken back. It is sad to learn
>>>>>>> that Gael chose to go public in such a dishonest and arrogant
>>>>>>> way, and now loose his dog. In my heart I was praying that he
>>>>>>> would have the sense to listen and talk to the amazing folks who
>>>>>>> trained Elon, and appreciate the tremendous gift he was given.
>>>>>>> His refusal to respect this highly trained dog after he received
>>>>>>> it and his continued arrogant public threats lead me to applaud
>>>>>>> CCI for their final decision. Thankful for what this amazing
>>>>>>> non-profit does to help so many disabled Americans....
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 1 Ann Mc Dowell | 2:10 a.m. Feb. 26,
>>>>>>> 2011
>>>>>>> New York, NY
>>>>>>> Gael and Elon were an inspiration to so many of the patients in
>>>>>>> the hospital, particularly the veterans with disabilties and
>>>>>>> traumatic brain injuries who were Gael's patients. They gave so
>>>>>>> many people hope that they could live fully active lives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CCI's Form 990, as filed with the IRS for 2009, Schedule O
>>>>>>> Supplemental Information (page 34) stated:
>>>>>>> "TAsks performed by instructors at follow-up visitation include:
>>>>>>> 2) Correction of any problems that may exist;
>>>>>>> 5) Making certain that the dog is doing the commands initially
>>>>>>> taught, and that they are still needed; and
>>>>>>> 6) Beginning the process of teaching new commands, if deemed
>>>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gael requested additional training from Simi in late December of
>>>>>>> 2010. When a date was set for 1/29/10, Gael was looking forward
>>>>>>> to meeting with Simi as he was told it was to help with items 2,
>>>>>>> 5, 6 above. In fact, Gael took the day off from meeting with his
>>>>>>> patients in order to train with Elon. Instead, Simi offered no
>>>>>>> training or education and quickly informed Gael that they were
>>>>>>> there to take Elon. That's the last time Gael saw Elon; tragic
>>>>>>> for both Gael and Elon.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 0 SanB | 4:36 a.m. Feb. 26, 2011
>>>>>>> Jupiter, FL
>>>>>>> I have been following this story closely, and still feel that CCI
>>>>>>> and Dr. Yonnet can resolves the issues at hand. Through all of
>>>>>>> the anger and emotion (and we ALL have acted out in both) the
>>>>>>> bottom line is, CCI raised an awesome companion dog, Dr. Yonnet
>>>>>>> has bonded with Elon, loves him dearly, and was not abusing the
>>>>>>> dog. I have read in earlier posts, Dr. Yonnet has set out to
>>>>>>> acquire a new leash (made specifically for people in wheelchairs
>>>>>>> that are active) that will allow him to take Elon on his mountain
>>>>>>> trips, which will take care of the safety concerns as expressed
>>>>>>> by CCI. I have to agree with DisabilityAdvocate above, I have
>>>>>>> browsed CCI's website, and have seen the same pictures with other
>>>>>>> dogs off leash, so are those dogs getting ready to be repo'd as
>>>>>>> well? We have all experienced loss, and death, and have probably
>>>>>>> even uttered the words "I'd do anything to get them back".
>>>>>>> Fortunately, in this case, there is still time to get them back,
>>>>>>> with a very clear mutual understanding of what is expected. Just
>>>>>>> Love!
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 0 Angelo John Stevens | 6:51 a.m. Feb.
>>>>>>> 26, 2011
>>>>>>> Fort Belvoir, VA
>>>>>>> I am going to be polite, after fighting a school system in VA who
>>>>>>> seems to feel they can have a policy that Names ADI, an affiliate
>>>>>>> of CCI as the sole God to all Dog training and certifications, I
>>>>>>> have to say I see something fishy with CCI and ADI, more so when
>>>>>>> an agency feels even with all the good they do, that they are
>>>>>>> above the law.
>>>>>>> They have rules which are not enforced across the board, and seem
>>>>>>> to pick and choose who they enforce them on, based on how much
>>>>>>> aide and or help that person can give to their fund rasing
>>>>>>> efforts, their 50,000 dollar dogs does not mean their better dogs
>>>>>>> then a 20,000 dog, plain and simple.
>>>>>>> Servioce Dogs should be controllable on and off a leash, because
>>>>>>> facts and nature dictate there will be places and times these
>>>>>>> dogs need to be off leash in order to perform their functions.
>>>>>>> ADA and DOJ have already stated they agree leashs are not
>>>>>>> required for certain instances where it is unsafe to use a leash,
>>>>>>> however if dogs can be controlled either with voice, or hand.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 0 Angelo John Stevens | 7:06 a.m. Feb.
>>>>>>> 26, 2011
>>>>>>> Fort Belvoir, VA
>>>>>>> I am still curious why CCI retains owner ship of the dog yet
>>>>>>> claims they give dogs for free, giving implies you no longer own
>>>>>>> that which is given, should not the term instead be, We loan
>>>>>>> service dogs to persons, but at any time may remove that dog if
>>>>>>> we CCI feel you are too dangerous for that loaned dog to be in,
>>>>>>> and then we will lie to you to meet at a mall, in order to train
>>>>>>> you and your dog, but instead will take the dog from you, and not
>>>>>>> ensure you the disabled person will get home safely, and threaten
>>>>>>> you with the police as well, lets not also forget these are the
>>>>>>> same people that want to work with wounded warriors and veterans,
>>>>>>> our suicide rate is high enough in the military we do not need
>>>>>>> CCI re-poing dogs from them to add fuel to that fire.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 0 1000observer | 9:59 a.m. Feb. 26,
>>>>>>> 2011
>>>>>>> Alexandria, Va
>>>>>>> First, CCI makes perfectly clear that they retain ownership of
>>>>>>> their dogs. It is in every agreement that every graduate,
>>>>>>> including the person in question, signs before accepting a CCI
>>>>>>> dog. If you don't like it, don't accept a CCI dog. There are many
>>>>>>> people on CCI waiting lists willing to accept the terms CCI has,
>>>>>>> and if you accept a CCI dog, and not the terms CCI has, you are
>>>>>>> taking that dog away from someone else who might have benefited
>>>>>>> from a CCI dog. Another SLC TV site has a story posted and on it
>>>>>>> is a link to the letter from CCI to Dr. Yonnet. After reading
>>>>>>> this letter, any sympathy I had for the doctor on this issue has
>>>>>>> disappeared. I leave it to everyone to read the letter, but it
>>>>>>> seems from the letter that CCI did everything it could to solve
>>>>>>> the issue at hand, and it is not just about leash and off leash
>>>>>>> rules. Shame that Dr. Yonnet and his supporters prefer to attack
>>>>>>> CCI than work with them to find a solution.
>>>>>>> Recommend Recommendations: 0
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