[nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important

[Julie Phillipson]

I agree with you about that I have the same problem with APS's.

Julie Phillipson
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> If all signals were like the one shown in this video, i would advocate
> for NO audible signals. THat tone would definitely get in the way of
> my listening to traffic and I'd be afraid to cross that street because
> I can't hear traffic.
>
> Luckily, not all audible signal are like that, and i can listen to the
> chirp tha tindicates it's my turn
>
> On 11/2/11, Julie Phillipson <jbrew48 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Aaron there is a huge problem in New York City where they are changing 
>> how
>> the lights at intersections work and it is causing lots of problems for
>> blind people because, as I understand it,  it changes one or two lanes of
>> traffic that stops traffic, giving pedestrians 30 seconds more time to 
>> cross
>> before stopping the other lanes of traffic and there is no way for the 
>> blind
>> person to know when they can start crossing.  They are changing something
>> like 15,000  intersections to work like this.
>> Therefore it is a case where NFb of New York is supporting the need for
>> APS's.  There is a coalition of several disability groups that have been
>> working on this.  This trend is spreading to other area's too.  although 
>> it
>> may look like this guy doesn't have good mobility skills it isn't
>> necessarily the case.  May be Cheryl E. can describe this better since 
>> she
>> lives in the area.
>> Julie Phillipson
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:17 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important
>>
>>
>>> This video posted on the Yahoo Accessibility blog seeks to demonstrate
>>> the need for accessible crossing signals.  However, in my opinion it
>>> manages to do just the opposite quite nicely.
>>>
>>> http://yaccessibilityblog.com/wp/blind-people-cross-street.html
>>>
>>> I find it troubling that he talks about needing the signal "to
>>> indicate that it's safe for me to cross the street."  Even worse is
>>> his comment "I don't have to listen for the traffic coming the other
>>> way, I can just listen to the tone."
>>>
>>> He also calls crossing without a signal "daunting" and "scary".
>>>
>>> I can understand that such crossings can be quite daunting and scary
>>> if you don't have good training or practice making such crossings, so
>>> I don't really fault him for that.  However, I fear that people,
>>> especially other blind people, watching this video will assume that
>>> that's how it is for everyone.
>>>
>>> Finally, I do think that accessible signals can have their place, but
>>> certainly not the type shown in this video, which seem like they could
>>> actually interfere with listening to the traffic.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I just thought I'd share.
>>>
>>> Aaron Cannon
>>>
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