[nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important

[Margo and Arrow]

I don't like the chirp chirp and cricket aps.

I do like the ones that talk and give information.

Margo andArrow
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From: "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important


>I agree with you about that I have the same problem with APS's.
>
> Julie Phillipson
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>> If all signals were like the one shown in this video, i would advocate
>> for NO audible signals. THat tone would definitely get in the way of
>> my listening to traffic and I'd be afraid to cross that street because
>> I can't hear traffic.
>>
>> Luckily, not all audible signal are like that, and i can listen to the
>> chirp tha tindicates it's my turn
>>
>> On 11/2/11, Julie Phillipson <jbrew48 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Aaron there is a huge problem in New York City where they are changing 
>>> how
>>> the lights at intersections work and it is causing lots of problems for
>>> blind people because, as I understand it,  it changes one or two lanes 
>>> of
>>> traffic that stops traffic, giving pedestrians 30 seconds more time to 
>>> cross
>>> before stopping the other lanes of traffic and there is no way for the 
>>> blind
>>> person to know when they can start crossing.  They are changing 
>>> something
>>> like 15,000  intersections to work like this.
>>> Therefore it is a case where NFb of New York is supporting the need for
>>> APS's.  There is a coalition of several disability groups that have been
>>> working on this.  This trend is spreading to other area's too.  although 
>>> it
>>> may look like this guy doesn't have good mobility skills it isn't
>>> necessarily the case.  May be Cheryl E. can describe this better since 
>>> she
>>> lives in the area.
>>> Julie Phillipson
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>>> From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
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>>>
>>>> This video posted on the Yahoo Accessibility blog seeks to demonstrate
>>>> the need for accessible crossing signals.  However, in my opinion it
>>>> manages to do just the opposite quite nicely.
>>>>
>>>> http://yaccessibilityblog.com/wp/blind-people-cross-street.html
>>>>
>>>> I find it troubling that he talks about needing the signal "to
>>>> indicate that it's safe for me to cross the street."  Even worse is
>>>> his comment "I don't have to listen for the traffic coming the other
>>>> way, I can just listen to the tone."
>>>>
>>>> He also calls crossing without a signal "daunting" and "scary".
>>>>
>>>> I can understand that such crossings can be quite daunting and scary
>>>> if you don't have good training or practice making such crossings, so
>>>> I don't really fault him for that.  However, I fear that people,
>>>> especially other blind people, watching this video will assume that
>>>> that's how it is for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I do think that accessible signals can have their place, but
>>>> certainly not the type shown in this video, which seem like they could
>>>> actually interfere with listening to the traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I just thought I'd share.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron Cannon
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