[nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important

Thu Nov 3 17:24:34 UTC 2011

yeah, and the ones with the bird and the cricket, you have to figure out 
which street's the bird and which is the cricket, or, if it's just one of 
them, which street.  and, yes, you can listen to the traffic to figure it 
out but you ought to be listening to the traffic anyway.  Even with the 
talking ones, you still need to listen to traffic because the talking one 
could have broken or something.

margo and Arrow
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From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
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>I agree with Margo that the talking APS's are better than the chirpers.
> Mine is the talking kind (and I'm sure the county got the cheapest APS
> they could).  To me, the chirping means nothing.  Like Gary says, you have
> to know what it means before you can use it.  Whereas, with the talking
> ones, there's nothing to figure out.
> Tracy
>
>> I don't like the chirp chirp and cricket aps.
>>
>> I do like the ones that talk and give information.
>>
>> Margo andArrow
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>> From: "Julie Phillipson" <jbrew48 at verizon.net>
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>>>I agree with you about that I have the same problem with APS's.
>>>
>>> Julie Phillipson
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>>>> If all signals were like the one shown in this video, i would advocate
>>>> for NO audible signals. THat tone would definitely get in the way of
>>>> my listening to traffic and I'd be afraid to cross that street because
>>>> I can't hear traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Luckily, not all audible signal are like that, and i can listen to the
>>>> chirp tha tindicates it's my turn
>>>>
>>>> On 11/2/11, Julie Phillipson <jbrew48 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Aaron there is a huge problem in New York City where they are changing
>>>>> how
>>>>> the lights at intersections work and it is causing lots of problems
>>>>> for
>>>>> blind people because, as I understand it,  it changes one or two lanes
>>>>> of
>>>>> traffic that stops traffic, giving pedestrians 30 seconds more time to
>>>>> cross
>>>>> before stopping the other lanes of traffic and there is no way for the
>>>>> blind
>>>>> person to know when they can start crossing.  They are changing
>>>>> something
>>>>> like 15,000  intersections to work like this.
>>>>> Therefore it is a case where NFb of New York is supporting the need
>>>>> for
>>>>> APS's.  There is a coalition of several disability groups that have
>>>>> been
>>>>> working on this.  This trend is spreading to other area's too.
>>>>> although
>>>>> it
>>>>> may look like this guy doesn't have good mobility skills it isn't
>>>>> necessarily the case.  May be Cheryl E. can describe this better since
>>>>> she
>>>>> lives in the area.
>>>>> Julie Phillipson
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>>>>> From: "Aaron Cannon" <cannona at fireantproductions.com>
>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
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>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:17 AM
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Why good O&M training is so important
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> This video posted on the Yahoo Accessibility blog seeks to
>>>>>> demonstrate
>>>>>> the need for accessible crossing signals.  However, in my opinion it
>>>>>> manages to do just the opposite quite nicely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://yaccessibilityblog.com/wp/blind-people-cross-street.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find it troubling that he talks about needing the signal "to
>>>>>> indicate that it's safe for me to cross the street."  Even worse is
>>>>>> his comment "I don't have to listen for the traffic coming the other
>>>>>> way, I can just listen to the tone."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He also calls crossing without a signal "daunting" and "scary".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can understand that such crossings can be quite daunting and scary
>>>>>> if you don't have good training or practice making such crossings, so
>>>>>> I don't really fault him for that.  However, I fear that people,
>>>>>> especially other blind people, watching this video will assume that
>>>>>> that's how it is for everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, I do think that accessible signals can have their place, but
>>>>>> certainly not the type shown in this video, which seem like they
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> actually interfere with listening to the traffic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I just thought I'd share.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aaron Cannon
>>>>>>
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