[nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs

Sheila Leigland sleigland at bresnan.net
Mon Nov 7 22:55:27 UTC 2011


Rebecca I think you are right. It happend with mark and both our dogs as in both sets of guide dogs. I got use to it a long time ago and dont 
Give it much thought.

Sheila Leigland

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From: Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs

The asking the dog's name first happens with pet dogs too. It also happens with kids, "I'm Sam's mom" and the like.

I don't think this is meant to be rude, more of a "Hey, I'd like to get to know you, but am shy myself, or don't know what or how I should say hello".


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From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 9:11 PM
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Subject: Re: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs

Hi Robert,
I totally relate to where you're coming from.  I hate when people have no
respect or common decency to see that I may be preoccupied and want to
molest my dog, or ask me what my dog's name is rather than asking me mine
first, sigh.
Best,
Nat and Liam Joshua

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From: "Robert Hooper" <hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu>
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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs


> Hello Bibi and others:
>
> I might as well use this subject line to build upon your thoughts by
> providing some of my own. Luckily, I have experienced few annoying
> uneducated citizen issues, but I have definitely had my share. A few days
> ago, I was standing outside the university library, in the midst of a
> serious conversation with my friend about something or other
> class-related. Some individual, as he walks between us, seems to pay no
> heed to the fact that I was preoccupied and asks "Can I pet him". My
> response, tailored to the situation was a short, "no".
> There was another such time when I was standing outside the library in
> order to take a phone call and once again I was interrupted as though I
> had nothing better to do than stand around and grant peoples' wishes to
> molest my dog. I understand those who may be "dog" people, and I
> enthusiastically include myself in that crowd. However, my patience is
> very thin when it comes to people's lack of common courtesy. They don't
> fondle the phone they see in my hand, why should they fondle my dog? They
> don't fondle others' children, why should they fondle my dog? Somebody
> once saw me correct my dog--this person was a bus driver. He didn't even
> ask for an explanation, but after I had boarded, I explained to him what I
> did and why. I am glad to educate people and inform them of the various
> things I do and why, but I am very short with those who don't even have
> the manners to ask before they potentially cause me to blunder into a
> light pole with their ignorant distractions.
> Sorry for what no-doubt seems like an abrasive rant, but I have had a long
> day and I enjoy topics such as these.
>
> Robert Hooper
> Hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu
> The Ohio State University
> 0653 Buckeye-Cuyahoga CT
> 653 Cuyahoga Court
> Columbus, Ohio 43210
> (740) 856-8195
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:01 PM
> To: ";"
> Subject: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs
>
> Hi, all,
> Since I've posted about the situation I've been in for a while which was
> having to fight my apartment complex so I can get a successor guide dog
> when that time is right, I figured to get another subject line going.
> Can't remember exactly which lists there's been a discussion on certified
> and no certified service dogs, so here it goes.
> *Smiles*
> When I did some initial research on the service dog law here in Colorado,
> I've began to realize that the law isn't publicly well-known, meaning not
> everyone is aware of it.
> If the protection law was more well-known or made aware of, there would be
> lesser problems of interfierence from people and other pet owners as a
> whole, interrupting a guide/assistance dog's job.
> My next approach that I'll be taking is to speak with the denver Office of
> Disability Rights Commision to express the important part of a working dog
> in the hopes that I can also contact my senator and Governor Hickenlooper
> here in Colorado.
> My ultimate goal is I can try to get the service dog law to be officially
> past so it is an actual bill for the whole state of Colorado.
> This is not just for me, but for others too as I want to make sure they
> don't have to put up with unnecessary harassment or problems.
> Another good example of why I decided to write about this?
> My friend, Amanda Dreher happened to be inside of a Chase bank here in
> downtown Denver on the 16th Street Mall a couple days ago at an ATM
> machine.
> She had her hearing dog Louie in a sit stay position until an unknown lady
> approached Louie, started talking to him, petting him and not bothering to
> read his orange vest which clearly states "hearing dog, please do not
> pet."
> The lady didn't care and still did it anyway.
> That caused Louie to get up and become distracted, leaving my friend
> Amanda Dreher angry and annoyed.
> What makes me irritated and disgusted with people is when they have the
> nerve to ask "Is The Dog In Training?"
> If it was true that a service dog would be in training, they would have a
> vest that actually says such and such in training.
> louie's vest doesn't state that he's in training, but a hearing dog.
> I've had people ask me the same question when Odie wears his medical alert
> service dog vest, despite that one patch says medical alert and another
> one says please do not pet.
> Louie was trained at International Hearing Dogs out here in Henderson,
> Colorado and they do issue identiication cards to their clients.
> The identification cards are the same thing which those who do use guide
> dogs automatically get from their guide dog school of choice.
> Truth is that I sometimes want to say to people who continuously decide to
> behave rediculously when they ask the question I mentioned above and say,
> "Why is that your concern?"
> I know that would be rude of me to do so, but after a while, you feel as
> if you've had enough.
> One tactic I've come up with and this is something that neither guide dog
> school have taught anyone as a whole is to put my left hand and arm over
> Odie's head, creating a barrier to indicate I don't want people just
> coming up out of nowhere and making attemps or even touching him withoutt
> my permission.
> Even back when Odie was a guide dog, I still did the same thing.
> My husband, dale noticed when I'd do that and he told me that was my way
> of going into defense mode and being on the ready for an unknown hand to
> come at our four-legged furry partner.
> Back to the law, my friend Natalie and I have been talking about it a lot
> and I've told her directly of the next plan I have in the hopes I can get
> the Chief of Police, Disability Rights Commission and Downtown denver
> Partnership along with myself to work on strengthening that law.
> I've also encouraged Natalie by letting her know she'd definitely be
> welcomed to help me out with accomplishing this task as well.
> It seems weird that with older states here in the US, laws are more
> stricter and service dog protection is more well-known than here in
> Colorado.
> Although Colorado is yunger than some states, I do agree that there
> shouldn't be an excuse for the law not being tougher and it can happen.
> I'll admit that when people have tried to come up and mess with Odie, he'd
> clearly make it known when he didn't want to be bothered, especially after
> a long day of traveling.
> He would display that directly on his face upon turning away from an
> individual or moving around to let them know they need to back off and
> leave.
> So, I'll be doing some more research to get in contact with Senator
> Michael Bennett so I can speak with him directly and try to give him and
> others the information I've found.
> All right...
> Another confession time here and this one has nothing to do with special
> treatment.
> Earlier this year during the time I had encountered my second seizure
> (technically the third one) on june 16, 2011 ten or eleven hours apart
> after the first one, Dale wanted to get Odie into the medical alert
> service dog vest before we went downstairs to the waiting ambulance.
> Both fire department and paramedics told us there was no time to get the
> vest on and just quickly slip on a leash and collar with identification
> tags.
> Luckily, denver Health Medical knows Odie very well and since I worked
> hard on keeping him in tackt to be sure he stayed well-behaved, they still
> knew that he was a working dog, even withoutt his vest on.
> The security guards and staff on the hospital grounds gave us no trouble
> nor did they say a word about Odie being there in the buildings with my
> husband as they had to go over to the pharmacy to grab my seizure meds
> while I remained in the emergency room.
>
> Because of that type of circumstance, I know there will be listers who
> might feel that was special treatment, but truth is that there was no
> special treatment involved or brought upon by the fire department or
> paramedics in that situation.
> It was more they were concerned that if I didn't get the medical
> treatment, the convulsive grandmal seizure would have killed me right on
> the spot.
> Yes, Odie for the most part does have his medical alert vest on when he
> goes with Dale or I.
> Just my thoughts on this one.
> Bibi and Odie
> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>
>
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