[nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs

Thu Nov 10 16:30:48 UTC 2011

Yeah, the iPhone as music player and book reader is also a really big 
attraction for me. And quite a few other things. Also, you can make 
phone calls on it. /lol/

I also see it as an important piece of safety equipment. Since it is 
inherently accessible, I can just up and call the police nonemergency 
line if I need to, or the NAGDU hotline or whatever, without having to 
memorize a zillion billion phone numbers and hope I remember the right 
one when I need it. /lol/ Mitzi would suffer less aggravation at work 
because of some of the really cool location apps and the like. No more 
back and forth along the same block while the nutty blind woman tries to 
figure out where the heck she is and getsmore lost with every trek up 
and down the same patch of sidewalk. She begins to wonder what she ever 
did to deserve a boss like me, no question. /lol/

And let us not forget the value of having accessible camera/video/voice 
recording... Compared to some of the stories I hear, I have come off 
really light so far in the matter of access denials, bullying, guide dog 
interference, so on and so forth. That does not mean I like having no 
recourse whatsoever when another person is out of line and all I can do 
is bare-face my way past them. And never knowing whether or not they 
will escalate, knowing the chances of my getting anywhere by filing 
criminal charges for assault because I didn't see who did it... Don't 
like that feeling. Also don't like witnessing abuse of other blind 
consumers at a certain location in SE Portland... Knowing it's just 
going to go on and that even if I bring the matter up with the police, 
since I didn't see what happened... Also, I can write about what I 
observed, but ... Video would help with the convincing of the public, 
other blind consumers, the Board of Commissioners, etc., wouldn't it?

And so on. So to me, it's more than a phone I can actually use or even a 
working tool on the go. So... The closer I get the more obsessed over 
the stupid thing I don't own yet I get. /lol/  Then I can also just 
settle down to my routene obsession over how to acquire a braille 
display... Well, some way to produce braille without exacerbating those 
injuries I'm trying to get completely heald and stable would go a long 
way for me, too. Since the iPhone will take the place of a lot of 
brailled notes and stuff I could really use, and since one can use it 
with a braille display, the iPhone comes first.

Tami

On 11/09/2011 04:38 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
> I enjoy sleep too much! But my son baught one! He loves the thing! I am
> a biology geek not a computer one! But, at state convention they had a
> couple of screen protectors and cases I had hoped to win for him! My
> wife will probably get the smaller one soon. Steven got the 64 gig one
> but Carol will get the 16 because I can't afford that big one! The music
> sounds great with or without headphones though!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 7:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs
>
>
>>
>>
>> That's funny. My current frothing craze is to get an iPhone at the
>> first possible second! /lol/ If I don't have an iPhone, I will made DD
>> crazy by going on and on about the bleeping iPhone.
>>
>> Well, I did almost order one the other day, then decided to hold off a
>> little longer... Oddly, a key reason I thik the iPHone is the greatest
>> thing since sliced bread is that I could use to look things up on the
>> bus...
>>
>> To each their own, I guess. /lol/
>>
>> Tami
>>
>> On 11/09/2011 04:05 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>>> If you don't have an I-phone, well, you don't have an I-phone!! I don't
>>> have one iether. I like the Haven myself. I don't have to look up
>>> everything while trying to snooze on the bus!
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rob, you must not have an Iphone. I've seen people lust after those
>>>> things, wanting to touch, see how it works, can yours do what mine
>>>> does, stuff like that.
>>>> And people do touch children, though maybe not as much with a guy
>>>> present.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Robert Hooper
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:48 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs
>>>>
>>>> Hello Bibi and others:
>>>>
>>>> I might as well use this subject line to build upon your thoughts by
>>>> providing some of my own. Luckily, I have experienced few annoying
>>>> uneducated citizen issues, but I have definitely had my share. A few
>>>> days ago, I was standing outside the university library, in the midst
>>>> of a serious conversation with my friend about something or other
>>>> class-related. Some individual, as he walks between us, seems to pay
>>>> no heed to the fact that I was preoccupied and asks "Can I pet him".
>>>> My response, tailored to the situation was a short, "no".
>>>> There was another such time when I was standing outside the library in
>>>> order to take a phone call and once again I was interrupted as though
>>>> I had nothing better to do than stand around and grant peoples' wishes
>>>> to molest my dog. I understand those who may be "dog" people, and I
>>>> enthusiastically include myself in that crowd. However, my patience is
>>>> very thin when it comes to people's lack of common courtesy. They
>>>> don't fondle the phone they see in my hand, why should they fondle my
>>>> dog? They don't fondle others' children, why should they fondle my
>>>> dog? Somebody once saw me correct my dog--this person was a bus
>>>> driver. He didn't even ask for an explanation, but after I had
>>>> boarded, I explained to him what I did and why. I am glad to educate
>>>> people and inform them of the various things I do and why, but I am
>>>> very short with those who don't even have the manners to ask before
>>>> they potentially cause me to blunder into a light pole with their
>>>> ignorant distractions.
>>>> Sorry for what no-doubt seems like an abrasive rant, but I have had a
>>>> long day and I enjoy topics such as these.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Hooper
>>>> Hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu
>>>> The Ohio State University
>>>> 0653 Buckeye-Cuyahoga CT
>>>> 653 Cuyahoga Court
>>>> Columbus, Ohio 43210
>>>> (740) 856-8195
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:01 PM
>>>> To: ";"
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs
>>>>
>>>> Hi, all,
>>>> Since I've posted about the situation I've been in for a while which
>>>> was having to fight my apartment complex so I can get a successor
>>>> guide dog when that time is right, I figured to get another subject
>>>> line going.
>>>> Can't remember exactly which lists there's been a discussion on
>>>> certified and no certified service dogs, so here it goes.
>>>> *Smiles*
>>>> When I did some initial research on the service dog law here in
>>>> Colorado, I've began to realize that the law isn't publicly
>>>> well-known, meaning not everyone is aware of it.
>>>> If the protection law was more well-known or made aware of, there
>>>> would be lesser problems of interfierence from people and other pet
>>>> owners as a whole, interrupting a guide/assistance dog's job.
>>>> My next approach that I'll be taking is to speak with the denver
>>>> Office of Disability Rights Commision to express the important part of
>>>> a working dog in the hopes that I can also contact my senator and
>>>> Governor Hickenlooper here in Colorado.
>>>> My ultimate goal is I can try to get the service dog law to be
>>>> officially past so it is an actual bill for the whole state of
>>>> Colorado.
>>>> This is not just for me, but for others too as I want to make sure
>>>> they don't have to put up with unnecessary harassment or problems.
>>>> Another good example of why I decided to write about this?
>>>> My friend, Amanda Dreher happened to be inside of a Chase bank here in
>>>> downtown Denver on the 16th Street Mall a couple days ago at an ATM
>>>> machine.
>>>> She had her hearing dog Louie in a sit stay position until an unknown
>>>> lady approached Louie, started talking to him, petting him and not
>>>> bothering to read his orange vest which clearly states "hearing dog,
>>>> please do not pet."
>>>> The lady didn't care and still did it anyway.
>>>> That caused Louie to get up and become distracted, leaving my friend
>>>> Amanda Dreher angry and annoyed.
>>>> What makes me irritated and disgusted with people is when they have
>>>> the nerve to ask "Is The Dog In Training?"
>>>> If it was true that a service dog would be in training, they would
>>>> have a vest that actually says such and such in training.
>>>> louie's vest doesn't state that he's in training, but a hearing dog.
>>>> I've had people ask me the same question when Odie wears his medical
>>>> alert service dog vest, despite that one patch says medical alert and
>>>> another one says please do not pet.
>>>> Louie was trained at International Hearing Dogs out here in Henderson,
>>>> Colorado and they do issue identiication cards to their clients.
>>>> The identification cards are the same thing which those who do use
>>>> guide dogs automatically get from their guide dog school of choice.
>>>> Truth is that I sometimes want to say to people who continuously
>>>> decide to behave rediculously when they ask the question I mentioned
>>>> above and say, "Why is that your concern?"
>>>> I know that would be rude of me to do so, but after a while, you feel
>>>> as if you've had enough.
>>>> One tactic I've come up with and this is something that neither guide
>>>> dog school have taught anyone as a whole is to put my left hand and
>>>> arm over Odie's head, creating a barrier to indicate I don't want
>>>> people just coming up out of nowhere and making attemps or even
>>>> touching him withoutt my permission.
>>>> Even back when Odie was a guide dog, I still did the same thing.
>>>> My husband, dale noticed when I'd do that and he told me that was my
>>>> way of going into defense mode and being on the ready for an unknown
>>>> hand to come at our four-legged furry partner.
>>>> Back to the law, my friend Natalie and I have been talking about it a
>>>> lot and I've told her directly of the next plan I have in the hopes I
>>>> can get the Chief of Police, Disability Rights Commission and Downtown
>>>> denver Partnership along with myself to work on strengthening that law.
>>>> I've also encouraged Natalie by letting her know she'd definitely be
>>>> welcomed to help me out with accomplishing this task as well.
>>>> It seems weird that with older states here in the US, laws are more
>>>> stricter and service dog protection is more well-known than here in
>>>> Colorado.
>>>> Although Colorado is yunger than some states, I do agree that there
>>>> shouldn't be an excuse for the law not being tougher and it can happen.
>>>> I'll admit that when people have tried to come up and mess with Odie,
>>>> he'd clearly make it known when he didn't want to be bothered,
>>>> especially after a long day of traveling.
>>>> He would display that directly on his face upon turning away from an
>>>> individual or moving around to let them know they need to back off and
>>>> leave.
>>>> So, I'll be doing some more research to get in contact with Senator
>>>> Michael Bennett so I can speak with him directly and try to give him
>>>> and others the information I've found.
>>>> All right...
>>>> Another confession time here and this one has nothing to do with
>>>> special treatment.
>>>> Earlier this year during the time I had encountered my second seizure
>>>> (technically the third one) on june 16, 2011 ten or eleven hours apart
>>>> after the first one, Dale wanted to get Odie into the medical alert
>>>> service dog vest before we went downstairs to the waiting ambulance.
>>>> Both fire department and paramedics told us there was no time to get
>>>> the vest on and just quickly slip on a leash and collar with
>>>> identification tags.
>>>> Luckily, denver Health Medical knows Odie very well and since I worked
>>>> hard on keeping him in tackt to be sure he stayed well-behaved, they
>>>> still knew that he was a working dog, even withoutt his vest on.
>>>> The security guards and staff on the hospital grounds gave us no
>>>> trouble nor did they say a word about Odie being there in the
>>>> buildings with my husband as they had to go over to the pharmacy to
>>>> grab my seizure meds while I remained in the emergency room.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Because of that type of circumstance, I know there will be listers who
>>>> might feel that was special treatment, but truth is that there was no
>>>> special treatment involved or brought upon by the fire department or
>>>> paramedics in that situation.
>>>> It was more they were concerned that if I didn't get the medical
>>>> treatment, the convulsive grandmal seizure would have killed me right
>>>> on the spot.
>>>> Yes, Odie for the most part does have his medical alert vest on when
>>>> he goes with Dale or I.
>>>> Just my thoughts on this one.
>>>> Bibi and Odie
>>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>>
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