[nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs

Thu Nov 10 00:38:43 UTC 2011

I enjoy sleep too much!  But my son baught one!  He loves the thing!  I am a 
biology geek not a computer one!  But, at state convention they had a couple 
of screen protectors and cases I had hoped to win for him!  My wife will 
probably get the smaller one soon.  Steven got the 64 gig one but Carol will 
get the 16 because I can't afford that big one!  The music sounds great with 
or without headphones though!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tami Kinney" <tamara.8024 at comcast.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs


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>
> That's funny. My current frothing craze is to get an iPhone at the first 
> possible second! /lol/ If I don't have an iPhone, I will made DD crazy by 
> going on and on about the bleeping iPhone.
>
> Well, I did almost order one the other day, then decided to hold off a 
> little longer... Oddly, a key reason I thik the iPHone is the greatest 
> thing since sliced bread is that I could use to look things up on the 
> bus...
>
> To each their own, I guess. /lol/
>
> Tami
>
> On 11/09/2011 04:05 PM, Larry D. Keeler wrote:
>> If you don't have an I-phone, well, you don't have an I-phone!! I don't
>> have one iether. I like the Haven myself. I don't have to look up
>> everything while trying to snooze on the bus!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)"
>> <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs
>>
>>
>>> Rob, you must not have an Iphone. I've seen people lust after those
>>> things, wanting to touch, see how it works, can yours do what mine
>>> does, stuff like that.
>>> And people do touch children, though maybe not as much with a guy
>>> present.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Robert Hooper
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:48 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs
>>>
>>> Hello Bibi and others:
>>>
>>> I might as well use this subject line to build upon your thoughts by
>>> providing some of my own. Luckily, I have experienced few annoying
>>> uneducated citizen issues, but I have definitely had my share. A few
>>> days ago, I was standing outside the university library, in the midst
>>> of a serious conversation with my friend about something or other
>>> class-related. Some individual, as he walks between us, seems to pay
>>> no heed to the fact that I was preoccupied and asks "Can I pet him".
>>> My response, tailored to the situation was a short, "no".
>>> There was another such time when I was standing outside the library in
>>> order to take a phone call and once again I was interrupted as though
>>> I had nothing better to do than stand around and grant peoples' wishes
>>> to molest my dog. I understand those who may be "dog" people, and I
>>> enthusiastically include myself in that crowd. However, my patience is
>>> very thin when it comes to people's lack of common courtesy. They
>>> don't fondle the phone they see in my hand, why should they fondle my
>>> dog? They don't fondle others' children, why should they fondle my
>>> dog? Somebody once saw me correct my dog--this person was a bus
>>> driver. He didn't even ask for an explanation, but after I had
>>> boarded, I explained to him what I did and why. I am glad to educate
>>> people and inform them of the various things I do and why, but I am
>>> very short with those who don't even have the manners to ask before
>>> they potentially cause me to blunder into a light pole with their
>>> ignorant distractions.
>>> Sorry for what no-doubt seems like an abrasive rant, but I have had a
>>> long day and I enjoy topics such as these.
>>>
>>> Robert Hooper
>>> Hooper.90 at buckeyemail.osu.edu
>>> The Ohio State University
>>> 0653 Buckeye-Cuyahoga CT
>>> 653 Cuyahoga Court
>>> Columbus, Ohio 43210
>>> (740) 856-8195
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Criminal Justice Major Extraordinaire
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:01 PM
>>> To: ";"
>>> Subject: [nagdu] importance of education on guide/assistance dogs
>>>
>>> Hi, all,
>>> Since I've posted about the situation I've been in for a while which
>>> was having to fight my apartment complex so I can get a successor
>>> guide dog when that time is right, I figured to get another subject
>>> line going.
>>> Can't remember exactly which lists there's been a discussion on
>>> certified and no certified service dogs, so here it goes.
>>> *Smiles*
>>> When I did some initial research on the service dog law here in
>>> Colorado, I've began to realize that the law isn't publicly
>>> well-known, meaning not everyone is aware of it.
>>> If the protection law was more well-known or made aware of, there
>>> would be lesser problems of interfierence from people and other pet
>>> owners as a whole, interrupting a guide/assistance dog's job.
>>> My next approach that I'll be taking is to speak with the denver
>>> Office of Disability Rights Commision to express the important part of
>>> a working dog in the hopes that I can also contact my senator and
>>> Governor Hickenlooper here in Colorado.
>>> My ultimate goal is I can try to get the service dog law to be
>>> officially past so it is an actual bill for the whole state of Colorado.
>>> This is not just for me, but for others too as I want to make sure
>>> they don't have to put up with unnecessary harassment or problems.
>>> Another good example of why I decided to write about this?
>>> My friend, Amanda Dreher happened to be inside of a Chase bank here in
>>> downtown Denver on the 16th Street Mall a couple days ago at an ATM
>>> machine.
>>> She had her hearing dog Louie in a sit stay position until an unknown
>>> lady approached Louie, started talking to him, petting him and not
>>> bothering to read his orange vest which clearly states "hearing dog,
>>> please do not pet."
>>> The lady didn't care and still did it anyway.
>>> That caused Louie to get up and become distracted, leaving my friend
>>> Amanda Dreher angry and annoyed.
>>> What makes me irritated and disgusted with people is when they have
>>> the nerve to ask "Is The Dog In Training?"
>>> If it was true that a service dog would be in training, they would
>>> have a vest that actually says such and such in training.
>>> louie's vest doesn't state that he's in training, but a hearing dog.
>>> I've had people ask me the same question when Odie wears his medical
>>> alert service dog vest, despite that one patch says medical alert and
>>> another one says please do not pet.
>>> Louie was trained at International Hearing Dogs out here in Henderson,
>>> Colorado and they do issue identiication cards to their clients.
>>> The identification cards are the same thing which those who do use
>>> guide dogs automatically get from their guide dog school of choice.
>>> Truth is that I sometimes want to say to people who continuously
>>> decide to behave rediculously when they ask the question I mentioned
>>> above and say, "Why is that your concern?"
>>> I know that would be rude of me to do so, but after a while, you feel
>>> as if you've had enough.
>>> One tactic I've come up with and this is something that neither guide
>>> dog school have taught anyone as a whole is to put my left hand and
>>> arm over Odie's head, creating a barrier to indicate I don't want
>>> people just coming up out of nowhere and making attemps or even
>>> touching him withoutt my permission.
>>> Even back when Odie was a guide dog, I still did the same thing.
>>> My husband, dale noticed when I'd do that and he told me that was my
>>> way of going into defense mode and being on the ready for an unknown
>>> hand to come at our four-legged furry partner.
>>> Back to the law, my friend Natalie and I have been talking about it a
>>> lot and I've told her directly of the next plan I have in the hopes I
>>> can get the Chief of Police, Disability Rights Commission and Downtown
>>> denver Partnership along with myself to work on strengthening that law.
>>> I've also encouraged Natalie by letting her know she'd definitely be
>>> welcomed to help me out with accomplishing this task as well.
>>> It seems weird that with older states here in the US, laws are more
>>> stricter and service dog protection is more well-known than here in
>>> Colorado.
>>> Although Colorado is yunger than some states, I do agree that there
>>> shouldn't be an excuse for the law not being tougher and it can happen.
>>> I'll admit that when people have tried to come up and mess with Odie,
>>> he'd clearly make it known when he didn't want to be bothered,
>>> especially after a long day of traveling.
>>> He would display that directly on his face upon turning away from an
>>> individual or moving around to let them know they need to back off and
>>> leave.
>>> So, I'll be doing some more research to get in contact with Senator
>>> Michael Bennett so I can speak with him directly and try to give him
>>> and others the information I've found.
>>> All right...
>>> Another confession time here and this one has nothing to do with
>>> special treatment.
>>> Earlier this year during the time I had encountered my second seizure
>>> (technically the third one) on june 16, 2011 ten or eleven hours apart
>>> after the first one, Dale wanted to get Odie into the medical alert
>>> service dog vest before we went downstairs to the waiting ambulance.
>>> Both fire department and paramedics told us there was no time to get
>>> the vest on and just quickly slip on a leash and collar with
>>> identification tags.
>>> Luckily, denver Health Medical knows Odie very well and since I worked
>>> hard on keeping him in tackt to be sure he stayed well-behaved, they
>>> still knew that he was a working dog, even withoutt his vest on.
>>> The security guards and staff on the hospital grounds gave us no
>>> trouble nor did they say a word about Odie being there in the
>>> buildings with my husband as they had to go over to the pharmacy to
>>> grab my seizure meds while I remained in the emergency room.
>>>
>>>
>>> Because of that type of circumstance, I know there will be listers who
>>> might feel that was special treatment, but truth is that there was no
>>> special treatment involved or brought upon by the fire department or
>>> paramedics in that situation.
>>> It was more they were concerned that if I didn't get the medical
>>> treatment, the convulsive grandmal seizure would have killed me right
>>> on the spot.
>>> Yes, Odie for the most part does have his medical alert vest on when
>>> he goes with Dale or I.
>>> Just my thoughts on this one.
>>> Bibi and Odie
>>> the happy spirited bounty labra wolf
>>>
>>>
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