[nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs

Thu Sep 1 01:49:30 UTC 2011

No, I actually did not say that. I was first of all saying that there is responsibility. Believe me, I have seen people (not Tatanya) get talked into getting a dog strictly because someone else thought they would be more independent, and I had people suggest that now I could get out more that I had the dog. For me, that was the only reason I got a dog--the pain being cause by the repetitive motion. If I didn't like dogs, though, I probably would not have gone there anyway. I believe there are some situations that a dog works better in--parking lots, patterning in some difficult spaces like malls or hotels if used a lot because they pattern.) Dogs do not have the same kind of repetitive motion as a cane. I have loved my dogs, but for a long time I enjoyed them more for the care I could give them than I did the working with them. I also know that there are people who really don't want to take the time that makes a dog optimum. U feel like a slug when I read all of the exercise that Gary, I think it was, does with his dog. And I know it is the better thing to do. And no, I wasn't implying that the rest of you aren't aware that you can't put the dog in the corner as you can the cane and just forget about it. I wrote an article about this once long time ago. So I'm sorry if I've offended you.

On Aug 31, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Dan Weiner wrote:

> So, Cindy, you're saying you see no benefits to having a dog other than the
> fact that they cane requires  repetative motion and using a dog doesn’t?
> .
> None of us with dogs hasn't figured out that the cane can be put away in the
> corner and so on.--smile
> 
> We use dogs because of the advantages...if I really thought there were just
> no advantage I wouldn't have one.
> 
> But, to each his own.
> Dan W.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs
> 
> Tatyana, you are a musician, too, yes? I saw you on another list a long time
> ago.
> 
> Here's the deal. If you get well trained, you can travel about successfully
> and freely with a cane. You can put that cane in the corner when you get
> home and you don't have to worry about it any more until you are going out
> again. If you have a dog, you have responsibilities for that dog. It needs
> to be relieved, groomed, exercised, played with, and worked. If you love
> dogs or think there is a chance you would, then the dog is rule a good plan.
> I made the decision to use a dog because I was having some problems with my
> hands. Using the dog would not be the same repetitive motion as the cane. I
> loved caring for the dog way more than I loved working it, but I got over it
> because I had some marvelous dogs in the time I have used dogs. Just don't
> let yourself become overwhelmed with advice and question answers because
> most likely you will be in training several weeks. Some of your questions
> will be answered in that way; then as you have the dog and have questions,
> you will be able to get information that will be more helpful to you because
> of the experience you have had. Please don't think I'm trying to keep you
> from asking questions, but I'm just saying, do be careful not to go into
> information overload. If you love dogs and don't mind the responsibility of
> one, then the responsibility won't be any kind of problem, and you will do
> well with a dog. I do hope that if you decide to have one, you and your
> teammate will have lots of happy trails together, and I am happy you are
> anxious to get information as to what it means to have a dog.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Tatyana wrote:
> 
>> Hi Maria  and all,
>> To  your question,
>> I'm originally from Russia and live in Maryland USA.  I followed my
> husband
>> who's Russian too. I didn't speak English  and it took time   and efforts
> to
>> learn  the language  and get used  to new life. It wasn't easy,
> especially
>> if you are blind and your communication skills double complicated  
>> because of language barrier and blindness.  I had to work on my 
>> mobility skills- they are not perfect though.  I was thinking about a 
>> dog  perhaps it would give me more freedom and perhaps it  would 
>> expand my friends circle as you were  networking and actually went  on 
>> streets, get places that you think you'd never get yourself. Having a 
>> dog as I feel a life decision like getting a new family member. My 
>> sighted friends who have pets try to convince me that it's fun and not 
>> too hard to have a dog.  I think before taking responsibility for a 
>> dog that was trained and many great people were involved in its life , 
>> from volunteers who raze the poppies  to trainers, I need to be sure 
>> that I kno what I'm doing getting a dog. For canes and dogs, I'm not sure
> how it's taught in Russian, I need to ask my friends there.
>> 
>> Hope to see you on the list
>> Tatyana
>> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovcíková" 
>> <maria.orovcikova at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:20 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi to all,
>>> I am not sure if you remember me, but some of you might do as I have 
>>> posted a message asking for help with a guide dog command which I 
>>> needed for my thesys at that time. But it was quite a while ago 
>>> (sometime last year or a bit more).
>>> I am very sorry I haven't posted since, but I have been busy with 
>>> school things . I've been still reading the list and I find it very
> useful.
>>> Before I write something about myself for those who don't know me 
>>> yet, I would like to thank all of you for great help I got from you last
> year.
>>> So my name is Maria. I live in Slovakia (Central Europe). I have 
>>> graduated from university last month. My major was English and 
>>> special education for blind and visually impaired. I got a master degree.
>>> I have a guide dog, her name is demi and she is a black labrador. We 
>>> have been together for seven years. She does not help me only in 
>>> guiding and orientation, but as I have a mild cerebral palsy and have 
>>> balance problem sometimes, she is great helper in this case as well.
>>> I have something to comment on Tatiana's post.
>>> So Tatiana, if you do not mind me asking, where are you from?
>>> This question just came on my mind as I have read your question about 
>>> using a cane with a guide dog at the same time.
>>> Here in my country, guide dog handlers are trained to use a guide dog 
>>> and a cane together. It is not a regular cane, but just a short 
>>> folding signalling cane like Larry has mentioned.
>>> As far as I know, they train dogs that way in some other countries 
>>> like Czech Republic for example.
>>> If you have more questions regarding training guide dogs or anything, 
>>> feel free to ask.
>>> With regards
>>> Maria
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" 
>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:48 AM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Canes With Dogs
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The only thing I've seen is people with the short walking cane with
> dogs.
>>>> Tatyana, I see no need to use both at the same time although I keep 
>>>> a cane in my backpack.  In case I want to run to the bathroom when 
>>>> Holly is on a tiedown at the bowling ally or some such thing.
>>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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