[nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs

Dan Weiner dcwein at dcwein.cnc.net
Thu Sep 1 02:01:19 UTC 2011 

And I apologize if I seemed confrontational.

I get what you're saying.

Dan
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:50 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs

No, I actually did not say that. I was first of all saying that there is
responsibility. Believe me, I have seen people (not Tatanya) get talked into
getting a dog strictly because someone else thought they would be more
independent, and I had people suggest that now I could get out more that I
had the dog. For me, that was the only reason I got a dog--the pain being
cause by the repetitive motion. If I didn't like dogs, though, I probably
would not have gone there anyway. I believe there are some situations that a
dog works better in--parking lots, patterning in some difficult spaces like
malls or hotels if used a lot because they pattern.) Dogs do not have the
same kind of repetitive motion as a cane. I have loved my dogs, but for a
long time I enjoyed them more for the care I could give them than I did the
working with them. I also know that there are people who really don't want
to take the time that makes a dog optimum. U feel like a slug when I read
all of the exercise that Gary, I think it was, does with his dog. And I know
it is the better thing to do. And no, I wasn't implying that the rest of you
aren't aware that you can't put the dog in the corner as you can the cane
and just forget about it. I wrote an article about this once long time ago.
So I'm sorry if I've offended you.

On Aug 31, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Dan Weiner wrote:

> So, Cindy, you're saying you see no benefits to having a dog other 
> than the fact that they cane requires  repetative motion and using a dog
doesn’t?
> .
> None of us with dogs hasn't figured out that the cane can be put away 
> in the corner and so on.--smile
> 
> We use dogs because of the advantages...if I really thought there were 
> just no advantage I wouldn't have one.
> 
> But, to each his own.
> Dan W.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:48 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs
> 
> Tatyana, you are a musician, too, yes? I saw you on another list a 
> long time ago.
> 
> Here's the deal. If you get well trained, you can travel about 
> successfully and freely with a cane. You can put that cane in the 
> corner when you get home and you don't have to worry about it any more 
> until you are going out again. If you have a dog, you have 
> responsibilities for that dog. It needs to be relieved, groomed, 
> exercised, played with, and worked. If you love dogs or think there is a
chance you would, then the dog is rule a good plan.
> I made the decision to use a dog because I was having some problems 
> with my hands. Using the dog would not be the same repetitive motion 
> as the cane. I loved caring for the dog way more than I loved working 
> it, but I got over it because I had some marvelous dogs in the time I 
> have used dogs. Just don't let yourself become overwhelmed with advice 
> and question answers because most likely you will be in training 
> several weeks. Some of your questions will be answered in that way; 
> then as you have the dog and have questions, you will be able to get 
> information that will be more helpful to you because of the experience 
> you have had. Please don't think I'm trying to keep you from asking 
> questions, but I'm just saying, do be careful not to go into 
> information overload. If you love dogs and don't mind the 
> responsibility of one, then the responsibility won't be any kind of 
> problem, and you will do well with a dog. I do hope that if you decide 
> to have one, you and your teammate will have lots of happy trails
together, and I am happy you are anxious to get information as to what it
means to have a dog.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Tatyana wrote:
> 
>> Hi Maria  and all,
>> To  your question,
>> I'm originally from Russia and live in Maryland USA.  I followed my
> husband
>> who's Russian too. I didn't speak English  and it took time   and efforts
> to
>> learn  the language  and get used  to new life. It wasn't easy,
> especially
>> if you are blind and your communication skills double complicated 
>> because of language barrier and blindness.  I had to work on my 
>> mobility skills- they are not perfect though.  I was thinking about a 
>> dog  perhaps it would give me more freedom and perhaps it  would 
>> expand my friends circle as you were  networking and actually went  
>> on streets, get places that you think you'd never get yourself. 
>> Having a dog as I feel a life decision like getting a new family 
>> member. My sighted friends who have pets try to convince me that it's 
>> fun and not too hard to have a dog.  I think before taking 
>> responsibility for a dog that was trained and many great people were 
>> involved in its life , from volunteers who raze the poppies  to 
>> trainers, I need to be sure that I kno what I'm doing getting a dog. 
>> For canes and dogs, I'm not sure
> how it's taught in Russian, I need to ask my friends there.
>> 
>> Hope to see you on the list
>> Tatyana
>> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovcíková" 
>> <maria.orovcikova at gmail.com>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:20 AM
>> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi to all,
>>> I am not sure if you remember me, but some of you might do as I have 
>>> posted a message asking for help with a guide dog command which I 
>>> needed for my thesys at that time. But it was quite a while ago 
>>> (sometime last year or a bit more).
>>> I am very sorry I haven't posted since, but I have been busy with 
>>> school things . I've been still reading the list and I find it very
> useful.
>>> Before I write something about myself for those who don't know me 
>>> yet, I would like to thank all of you for great help I got from you 
>>> last
> year.
>>> So my name is Maria. I live in Slovakia (Central Europe). I have 
>>> graduated from university last month. My major was English and 
>>> special education for blind and visually impaired. I got a master
degree.
>>> I have a guide dog, her name is demi and she is a black labrador. We 
>>> have been together for seven years. She does not help me only in 
>>> guiding and orientation, but as I have a mild cerebral palsy and 
>>> have balance problem sometimes, she is great helper in this case as
well.
>>> I have something to comment on Tatiana's post.
>>> So Tatiana, if you do not mind me asking, where are you from?
>>> This question just came on my mind as I have read your question 
>>> about using a cane with a guide dog at the same time.
>>> Here in my country, guide dog handlers are trained to use a guide 
>>> dog and a cane together. It is not a regular cane, but just a short 
>>> folding signalling cane like Larry has mentioned.
>>> As far as I know, they train dogs that way in some other countries 
>>> like Czech Republic for example.
>>> If you have more questions regarding training guide dogs or 
>>> anything, feel free to ask.
>>> With regards
>>> Maria
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" 
>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>> To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:48 AM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Canes With Dogs
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The only thing I've seen is people with the short walking cane with
> dogs.
>>>> Tatyana, I see no need to use both at the same time although I keep 
>>>> a cane in my backpack.  In case I want to run to the bathroom when 
>>>> Holly is on a tiedown at the bowling ally or some such thing.
>>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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