[nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs

Cindy Ray cindyray at gmail.com
Thu Sep 1 02:06:31 UTC 2011 

Well, not to worry. I just think you misunderstood a bit of what I was saying, but maybe I don't make sense. <Grin>

On Aug 31, 2011, at 9:01 PM, Dan Weiner wrote:

> And I apologize if I seemed confrontational.
> 
> I get what you're saying.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Cindy Ray
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 9:50 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs
> 
> No, I actually did not say that. I was first of all saying that there is
> responsibility. Believe me, I have seen people (not Tatanya) get talked into
> getting a dog strictly because someone else thought they would be more
> independent, and I had people suggest that now I could get out more that I
> had the dog. For me, that was the only reason I got a dog--the pain being
> cause by the repetitive motion. If I didn't like dogs, though, I probably
> would not have gone there anyway. I believe there are some situations that a
> dog works better in--parking lots, patterning in some difficult spaces like
> malls or hotels if used a lot because they pattern.) Dogs do not have the
> same kind of repetitive motion as a cane. I have loved my dogs, but for a
> long time I enjoyed them more for the care I could give them than I did the
> working with them. I also know that there are people who really don't want
> to take the time that makes a dog optimum. U feel like a slug when I read
> all of the exercise that Gary, I think it was, does with his dog. And I know
> it is the better thing to do. And no, I wasn't implying that the rest of you
> aren't aware that you can't put the dog in the corner as you can the cane
> and just forget about it. I wrote an article about this once long time ago.
> So I'm sorry if I've offended you.
> 
> On Aug 31, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Dan Weiner wrote:
> 
>> So, Cindy, you're saying you see no benefits to having a dog other 
>> than the fact that they cane requires  repetative motion and using a dog
> doesn’t?
>> .
>> None of us with dogs hasn't figured out that the cane can be put away 
>> in the corner and so on.--smile
>> 
>> We use dogs because of the advantages...if I really thought there were 
>> just no advantage I wouldn't have one.
>> 
>> But, to each his own.
>> Dan W.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Cindy Ray
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:48 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs
>> 
>> Tatyana, you are a musician, too, yes? I saw you on another list a 
>> long time ago.
>> 
>> Here's the deal. If you get well trained, you can travel about 
>> successfully and freely with a cane. You can put that cane in the 
>> corner when you get home and you don't have to worry about it any more 
>> until you are going out again. If you have a dog, you have 
>> responsibilities for that dog. It needs to be relieved, groomed, 
>> exercised, played with, and worked. If you love dogs or think there is a
> chance you would, then the dog is rule a good plan.
>> I made the decision to use a dog because I was having some problems 
>> with my hands. Using the dog would not be the same repetitive motion 
>> as the cane. I loved caring for the dog way more than I loved working 
>> it, but I got over it because I had some marvelous dogs in the time I 
>> have used dogs. Just don't let yourself become overwhelmed with advice 
>> and question answers because most likely you will be in training 
>> several weeks. Some of your questions will be answered in that way; 
>> then as you have the dog and have questions, you will be able to get 
>> information that will be more helpful to you because of the experience 
>> you have had. Please don't think I'm trying to keep you from asking 
>> questions, but I'm just saying, do be careful not to go into 
>> information overload. If you love dogs and don't mind the 
>> responsibility of one, then the responsibility won't be any kind of 
>> problem, and you will do well with a dog. I do hope that if you decide 
>> to have one, you and your teammate will have lots of happy trails
> together, and I am happy you are anxious to get information as to what it
> means to have a dog.
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> On Aug 31, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Tatyana wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Maria  and all,
>>> To  your question,
>>> I'm originally from Russia and live in Maryland USA.  I followed my
>> husband
>>> who's Russian too. I didn't speak English  and it took time   and efforts
>> to
>>> learn  the language  and get used  to new life. It wasn't easy,
>> especially
>>> if you are blind and your communication skills double complicated 
>>> because of language barrier and blindness.  I had to work on my 
>>> mobility skills- they are not perfect though.  I was thinking about a 
>>> dog  perhaps it would give me more freedom and perhaps it  would 
>>> expand my friends circle as you were  networking and actually went  
>>> on streets, get places that you think you'd never get yourself. 
>>> Having a dog as I feel a life decision like getting a new family 
>>> member. My sighted friends who have pets try to convince me that it's 
>>> fun and not too hard to have a dog.  I think before taking 
>>> responsibility for a dog that was trained and many great people were 
>>> involved in its life , from volunteers who raze the poppies  to 
>>> trainers, I need to be sure that I kno what I'm doing getting a dog. 
>>> For canes and dogs, I'm not sure
>> how it's taught in Russian, I need to ask my friends there.
>>> 
>>> Hope to see you on the list
>>> Tatyana
>>> ---- Original Message ----- From: "Mária Orovcíková" 
>>> <maria.orovcikova at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:20 AM
>>> Subject: [nagdu] Introduction Re: Canes With Dogs
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi to all,
>>>> I am not sure if you remember me, but some of you might do as I have 
>>>> posted a message asking for help with a guide dog command which I 
>>>> needed for my thesys at that time. But it was quite a while ago 
>>>> (sometime last year or a bit more).
>>>> I am very sorry I haven't posted since, but I have been busy with 
>>>> school things . I've been still reading the list and I find it very
>> useful.
>>>> Before I write something about myself for those who don't know me 
>>>> yet, I would like to thank all of you for great help I got from you 
>>>> last
>> year.
>>>> So my name is Maria. I live in Slovakia (Central Europe). I have 
>>>> graduated from university last month. My major was English and 
>>>> special education for blind and visually impaired. I got a master
> degree.
>>>> I have a guide dog, her name is demi and she is a black labrador. We 
>>>> have been together for seven years. She does not help me only in 
>>>> guiding and orientation, but as I have a mild cerebral palsy and 
>>>> have balance problem sometimes, she is great helper in this case as
> well.
>>>> I have something to comment on Tatiana's post.
>>>> So Tatiana, if you do not mind me asking, where are you from?
>>>> This question just came on my mind as I have read your question 
>>>> about using a cane with a guide dog at the same time.
>>>> Here in my country, guide dog handlers are trained to use a guide 
>>>> dog and a cane together. It is not a regular cane, but just a short 
>>>> folding signalling cane like Larry has mentioned.
>>>> As far as I know, they train dogs that way in some other countries 
>>>> like Czech Republic for example.
>>>> If you have more questions regarding training guide dogs or 
>>>> anything, feel free to ask.
>>>> With regards
>>>> Maria
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry D. Keeler" 
>>>> <lkeeler at comcast.net>
>>>> To: "doggie" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:48 AM
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Canes With Dogs
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> The only thing I've seen is people with the short walking cane with
>> dogs.
>>>>> Tatyana, I see no need to use both at the same time although I keep 
>>>>> a cane in my backpack.  In case I want to run to the bathroom when 
>>>>> Holly is on a tiedown at the bowling ally or some such thing.
>>>>> Intelligence is always claimed but rarely proven!
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