[nagdu] more Questions About accessing

Sun Sep 4 14:11:57 UTC 2011

Maria,

Hand signals are just gestures used to indicate a specific command to 
the dog.  A very common one is to hold your hand out palm flat toward 
the dog to indicate "stay".  When guiding I use my hand in a sort of 
loose pointing gesture to indicate the approximate direction I want to 
go.   When I want Monty to find the next turn right I use a sort of 
wrist flip motion with my hand loose and no fingers pointing.   Not 
everything I ask of Monty has an accompanying hand signal.

HTH
Julie

On 9/4/2011 4:39 AM, Mária Orovcíková wrote:
> Hello to all,
> please would it be somehow possible for anyone to explain hand signals?
> Or where can I learn more about them? I mean hand signals description 
> or something.
> Thank you in advance.
> Maria
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
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>> Janice,
>>
>> I broke my foot on July 20.  It was in a cast for  a bit but didn't 
>> heal right.  So I had surgery August 12 to fix it.  I have 17 more 
>> days in the current cast.  Then there will be several weeks of 
>> physical therapy as I regain movement and gain a bit of muscle.  At 
>> the end of all of that I will be able to put weight on the foot.  I 
>> have no idea how long it will take before I can walk again or how 
>> well I will be able to walk. I get to start a bit of walking or 
>> trying in mid October.  I'm hopeful that by Thanksgiving I will be 
>> well enough to go places independently again. That's only a guess and 
>> a hope though.
>>
>> I cannot leave my home without assistance, since there are steps up 
>> to my house.  I can open the door to let Monty out, but can't 
>> accompany him in the backyard.  My son takes him for walks, but Monty 
>> is getting absolutely no work.  I suspect he'll need some refresher 
>> training when I'm ready to have him guide again.  In the meantime I'm 
>> teaching him new things to help me in the house.  The rest will have 
>> to sort itself out in time.
>>
>> Good luck with the retraining.  She has to give over eventually.  I 
>> hope your foot heals soon.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/2011 3:50 PM, Janice Toothman wrote:
>>> Hi Julie,
>>> Join the club!. I broke my foot more than a month ago. I have been 
>>> in a "ski boot". I will be in it for another month because my foot 
>>> is not healing -I have osteoporosis. It has been difficult to keep 
>>> Destiny's skills up.
>>>
>>> Due to safety issues, GDF recommended that I retrain Destiny in her 
>>> breaking habits. It is not going well! She hasn't relieved herself 
>>> in close to 18 hours. I think it is going to be a long process. 
>>> Every time she doesn't perform by getting "busy" after in lengthen 
>>> her leash and stand at the curb and not move for 10 minutes; she is 
>>> to be put on tiedown for 15 minutes. It has been rough. She either 
>>> sits or stands except for once or twice she tried to go to get to 
>>> the grass on on yard and I had to correct her by saying "no" firmly 
>>> (hopefully, it sounded firm- I know I responded quickly but how my 
>>> voice effective my voice sounded I can't always tell because of my 
>>> hearing impairment.)
>>> Janice and Destiny (in Retraining)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/3/2011 1:38 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>> We'll see.  I don't know how well or how fast I'll be able to walk 
>>>> once my broken foot heals.  Right now I'm doing no walking! *smile* 
>>>> Hopefully I'll be able to work up to my old brisk pace.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>> On 9/3/2011 10:45 AM, Tatyana wrote:
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you for the interesting notes. Keep on walking and 
>>>>> self-confident look make a deal
>>>>>> I extremely rarely have access issues.  Rarely am I even asked if 
>>>>>> Monty is a service/guide dog, which is perfectly legal for them 
>>>>>> to ask.  On one occasion I was asked for ID, which is not legal 
>>>>>> for them to ask for. However many maybe all? of the guide dog 
>>>>>> programs issue ID to their graduates.  So if you had particular 
>>>>>> difficulty with explaining access laws or did not feel 
>>>>>> comfortable advocating for yourself, you would have one of these 
>>>>>> cards to show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay here are some things that I believe contribute to my very 
>>>>>> low incidence of access issues.
>>>>>> I live in a very small town.  Everyone knows everyone and I am 
>>>>>> the only blind person with a guide dog.  They all know me, 
>>>>>> whether or not I know them *smile* and they know I'm the real thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monty is well groomed and well behaved.  He is always an example 
>>>>>> of how a guide dog should behave.  If he isn't I deal with it 
>>>>>> immediately and expediently.   I am probably over sensitive about 
>>>>>> his behavior since I trained him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not stop to discuss whether or not I am allowed in a 
>>>>>> particular public place.  If a business owner starts in on asking 
>>>>>> questions I announce that he is a guide dog, smile, nod and keep 
>>>>>> on walking.  I have never had anyone chase me down or talk to my 
>>>>>> back.  In short, if you look like you have every right to be 
>>>>>> there, you must and they leave me alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monty is not a particularly cute and cuddly looking dog.  He is 
>>>>>> large, powerful, black and doesn't enjoy visiting with 
>>>>>> strangers.  We do not get a lot of unwanted attention from random 
>>>>>> people.  Monty is not at all dangerous, but he's all business 
>>>>>> when he's in harness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also know my rights and will not hesitate to explain them 
>>>>>> should the need arise.  I am a confident person and carry myself 
>>>>>> that way, head up, looking straight ahead, calm expression etc.  
>>>>>> I walk at a quick pace, which I think people also view as 
>>>>>> confidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that helps you feel more at ease with possible access 
>>>>>> issues. They do come up and you will have to deal with them, but 
>>>>>> I'd about bet that if you never get a dog you'll likewise 
>>>>>> experience some sort of access issue. I think having a guide dog 
>>>>>> increases the amount of access discussions, but I think all blind 
>>>>>> people universally need to be prepared to advocate for ourselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/3/2011 9:31 AM, Tatyana wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear listers,
>>>>>>> I would like to ask you some   questions about accessing public 
>>>>>>> places .
>>>>>>> When taxi drivers don't want your dog to get into a car, what 
>>>>>>> excuse do they
>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>> What do ethnic restaurants greeters say when they don't let you in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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