[nagdu] more Questions About accessing

Natalie nrorrell at qwest.net
Sun Sep 11 03:35:42 UTC 2011 

Hi Maria,
Maybe others have responded already, but here goes.  When you give the dog a 
directional command such as forward, you signal with your hand in that 
direction to indicate that's where you want him or her to go.
Best,
Nat and Liam Joshua

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mária Orovcíková" <maria.orovcikova at gmail.com>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] more Questions About accessing


> Hello to all,
> please would it be somehow possible for anyone to explain hand signals?
> Or where can I learn more about them? I mean hand signals description or 
> something.
> Thank you in advance.
> Maria
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Julie J." <julielj at neb.rr.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
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> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2011 4:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] more Questions About accessing
>
>
>> Janice,
>>
>> I broke my foot on July 20.  It was in a cast for  a bit but didn't heal 
>> right.  So I had surgery August 12 to fix it.  I have 17 more days in the 
>> current cast.  Then there will be several weeks of physical therapy as I 
>> regain movement and gain a bit of muscle.  At the end of all of that I 
>> will be able to put weight on the foot.  I have no idea how long it will 
>> take before I can walk again or how well I will be able to walk. I get to 
>> start a bit of walking or trying in mid October.  I'm hopeful that by 
>> Thanksgiving I will be well enough to go places independently again. 
>> That's only a guess and a hope though.
>>
>> I cannot leave my home without assistance, since there are steps up to my 
>> house.  I can open the door to let Monty out, but can't accompany him in 
>> the backyard.  My son takes him for walks, but Monty is getting 
>> absolutely no work.  I suspect he'll need some refresher training when 
>> I'm ready to have him guide again.  In the meantime I'm teaching him new 
>> things to help me in the house.  The rest will have to sort itself out in 
>> time.
>>
>> Good luck with the retraining.  She has to give over eventually.  I hope 
>> your foot heals soon.
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/2011 3:50 PM, Janice Toothman wrote:
>>> Hi Julie,
>>> Join the club!. I broke my foot more than a month ago. I have been in a 
>>> "ski boot". I will be in it for another month because my foot is not 
>>> healing -I have osteoporosis. It has been difficult to keep Destiny's 
>>> skills up.
>>>
>>> Due to safety issues, GDF recommended that I retrain Destiny in her 
>>> breaking habits. It is not going well! She hasn't relieved herself in 
>>> close to 18 hours. I think it is going to be a long process. Every time 
>>> she doesn't perform by getting "busy" after in lengthen her leash and 
>>> stand at the curb and not move for 10 minutes; she is to be put on 
>>> tiedown for 15 minutes. It has been rough. She either sits or stands 
>>> except for once or twice she tried to go to get to the grass on on yard 
>>> and I had to correct her by saying "no" firmly (hopefully, it sounded 
>>> firm- I know I responded quickly but how my voice effective my voice 
>>> sounded I can't always tell because of my hearing impairment.)
>>> Janice and Destiny (in Retraining)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/3/2011 1:38 PM, Julie J. wrote:
>>>> We'll see.  I don't know how well or how fast I'll be able to walk once 
>>>> my broken foot heals.  Right now I'm doing no walking! *smile* 
>>>> Hopefully I'll be able to work up to my old brisk pace.
>>>>
>>>> Julie
>>>> On 9/3/2011 10:45 AM, Tatyana wrote:
>>>>> Julie,
>>>>>
>>>>> thank you for the interesting notes. Keep on walking and 
>>>>> self-confident look make a deal
>>>>>> I extremely rarely have access issues.  Rarely am I even asked if 
>>>>>> Monty is a service/guide dog, which is perfectly legal for them to 
>>>>>> ask.  On one occasion I was asked for ID, which is not legal for them 
>>>>>> to ask for. However many maybe all? of the guide dog programs issue 
>>>>>> ID to their graduates.  So if you had particular difficulty with 
>>>>>> explaining access laws or did not feel comfortable advocating for 
>>>>>> yourself, you would have one of these cards to show.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay here are some things that I believe contribute to my very low 
>>>>>> incidence of access issues.
>>>>>> I live in a very small town.  Everyone knows everyone and I am the 
>>>>>> only blind person with a guide dog.  They all know me, whether or not 
>>>>>> I know them *smile* and they know I'm the real thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monty is well groomed and well behaved.  He is always an example of 
>>>>>> how a guide dog should behave.  If he isn't I deal with it 
>>>>>> immediately and expediently.   I am probably over sensitive about his 
>>>>>> behavior since I trained him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not stop to discuss whether or not I am allowed in a particular 
>>>>>> public place.  If a business owner starts in on asking questions I 
>>>>>> announce that he is a guide dog, smile, nod and keep on walking.  I 
>>>>>> have never had anyone chase me down or talk to my back.  In short, if 
>>>>>> you look like you have every right to be there, you must and they 
>>>>>> leave me alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Monty is not a particularly cute and cuddly looking dog.  He is 
>>>>>> large, powerful, black and doesn't enjoy visiting with strangers.  We 
>>>>>> do not get a lot of unwanted attention from random people.  Monty is 
>>>>>> not at all dangerous, but he's all business when he's in harness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also know my rights and will not hesitate to explain them should 
>>>>>> the need arise.  I am a confident person and carry myself that way, 
>>>>>> head up, looking straight ahead, calm expression etc.  I walk at a 
>>>>>> quick pace, which I think people also view as confidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that helps you feel more at ease with possible access issues. 
>>>>>> They do come up and you will have to deal with them, but I'd about 
>>>>>> bet that if you never get a dog you'll likewise experience some sort 
>>>>>> of access issue. I think having a guide dog increases the amount of 
>>>>>> access discussions, but I think all blind people universally need to 
>>>>>> be prepared to advocate for ourselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/3/2011 9:31 AM, Tatyana wrote:
>>>>>>> Dear listers,
>>>>>>> I would like to ask you some   questions about accessing public 
>>>>>>> places .
>>>>>>> When taxi drivers don't want your dog to get into a car, what excuse 
>>>>>>> do they
>>>>>>> use?
>>>>>>> What do ethnic restaurants greeters say when they don't let you in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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