[nagdu] GDB's new methods

[GARY STEEVES]

Hi Tracy:

I let Bogart cross at his speed but if I think the light will soon change I ask him to pick it up and he picks up his pace. He too isn't fond of crossing 6 lane roads and is happy to get it over with more quickly. I don't think he was taught this but with many things I see him doing it is something we have learned together.

Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:00 am
Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB's new methods
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>

> Hi Sherry.
> Thanks.  That's very interesting.  So you don't have 
> to give a treat at
> every up-curb?  I would think that would make the dog rush 
> across the
> street.  Sometimes I feel like rushing across the street, 
> but TSE told me
> to go slow if Ben wants to.  It does give him more time to 
> react, I guess,
> even if it's nerve-wracking for me.
> 
> Margo, I was in GDB's 2-week class 3 times, and that was in the 
> pre-treats
> era.  I really liked it.  Not so much messing 
> about.  Get in, get it done,
> go home!
> Tracy
> 
> > I think your friend has the process a little confused.  
> Which is easy to
> > do.
> > The way GDB does clicker training means it's the click and 
> treat you
> > reduce
> > over time and yes the treat as well, depending on your dog, of 
> course.> You
> > use the click and treat while teaching your dog something such 
> as finding
> > a
> > light pole or bus stop or doorway, then once the dog knows it, 
> you back
> > off
> > on the click, then gradually back off ont he treat, if you 
> want.  My
> > current
> > guide hardly ever needs food rewards, and my retired guide got 
> them for
> > almost everything.  I always have kibble in my 
> pockets.  But remember, you
> > also always delete the amount from the daily meals for the 
> dogs.  The
> > whole
> > click and treat thing is so customizable depending on the 
> handler's needs
> > and desires and the dog's needs and best way to 
> motivate.  And I'm someone
> > who used to be strongly anti food reward when GDB first 
> started using it,
> > but now I'm completely sold on it.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Tracy Carcione
> > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:35 AM
> > To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nagdu] GDB's new methods
> >
> > I thought GDB was using clicker training, the click & treat, 
> with the
> > treats decreasing frequency as the dog figured out what was wanted.
> > (That's my understanding of C&T, which I admit is rather 
> vague.)  But I
> > was talking to a friend about it, and she thinks that GDB is 
> not clicking,
> > just using food rewards, and that the treats never 
> decrease.  She thinks
> > that the new GDB graduate is constantly handing out treats, at 
> least at
> > every up-curb, and probably other places.  We're 
> picturing a guy
> > schlepping a 5-pound bag of kibble for a long walk!
> > Are there any recent GDB graduates on the list who've been 
> trained in the
> > new methods?  What is it really like? Now I'm eaten up 
> with curiosity!
> > C&T me!
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> >
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