[nagdu] GDB's new methods

Sat Sep 17 22:12:38 UTC 2011

Gary,

Oh, he is so totally poodle! /lol/ Mitzi is the same way with food
rewards. She will graciously accept my token of regard for her
accomplishment. If she believes her accomplishment is not being properly
acknowledged, she will gently remind me to take note and
appreciate. /lol/ What cracks me up is how similar it is to how she uses
her squeaky toy at the dog park as a token with the other dogs... Or her
bone at home. She politics with the token of power... Strangest thing I
ever did see, but that is unquestionably what she does. Those observing
and commenting to me about it come to the same conclusion without
prompting from me. She's using the shadow ball, a very high value item
of trade, to politic. We're not sure what the goal of the politicking
is, but it works, and is sometimes very intricate.  I get the impression
that the treats I give for positive reenforcement are as much tokens as
they are yummy things to take from my hand.

She likes verbal praise, too, but is more interested in hearing about
how clever she is than in whether or not she's a good girl. She will
respond differently to, "you're so clever," than she will to "good dog."
Are we sure these curly creatures are, in fact, canine? /lol/

Tami

On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 11:19 -0700, GARY STEEVES wrote: 
> Hi:
> 
> I use treats a lot with Bogart. I think it is great that a poodle is food driven. Well, I'm not sure if he is food driven or not since sometimes I think he takes a treat to be polite. :) It has worked with training him to do new things. When we are out doing things I randomly reward him for different things he does. So When he finds the push button cross walk poll I might give him a treat. Later in the walk I might give him a treat when he   does some smart thing dealing with a road crossing. What I try to do is not have him expecting a treat for everything  he does. He is funny because sometimes he thinks he deserves a treat for something and turns his head back looking for my hand. He may not get a treat then but will certainly get some good lovin.
> 
> Gary
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> Date: Thursday, September 15, 2011 9:01 am
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB's new methods
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> 
> > Sonds like that method makes a dog a chow hound instead of a 
> > work hound! Incidently, I never reward Holly with treats.  
> > She sure gets enough of them but not in connection with work.
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margo and Arrow" 
> > <margo.downey at verizon.net>To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the 
> > National Association of Guide Dog Users" <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nagdu] GDB's new methods
> > 
> > 
> > >yeah, me, too.  I would think you'd have to or maybe have 
> > to do a treat sort of thing to have these shorter classes.  
> > let me say that again:  In order to have these short 
> > classes, I'd think that maybe you'd have to constantly give food 
> > rewards.  Hope that made sense.
> > >
> > >
> > >I know Arrow encountered a recent GDB graduate from the shorter 
> > classin Dallas and he was sniffing her pocket until I corrected 
> > him and she had doggie reats in her pocket.  that's all I 
> > know, folks, so I'll stop here.
> > >
> > >Margo and Arrow
> > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Carcione" 
> > <carcione at access.net>>To: <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> > >Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:35 AM
> > >Subject: [nagdu] GDB's new methods
> > >
> > >
> > >>I thought GDB was using clicker training, the click & treat, 
> > with the
> > >>treats decreasing frequency as the dog figured out what was wanted.
> > >>(That's my understanding of C&T, which I admit is rather 
> > vague.)  But I
> > >>was talking to a friend about it, and she thinks that GDB is 
> > not clicking,
> > >>just using food rewards, and that the treats never 
> > decrease.  She thinks
> > >>that the new GDB graduate is constantly handing out treats, at 
> > least at
> > >>every up-curb, and probably other places.  We're 
> > picturing a guy
> > >>schlepping a 5-pound bag of kibble for a long walk!
> > >>Are there any recent GDB graduates on the list who've been 
> > trained in the
> > >>new methods?  What is it really like? Now I'm eaten up 
> > with curiosity!
> > >>C&T me!
> > >>Tracy
> > >>
> > >>
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