[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Wed Apr 11 16:46:22 UTC 2012

Thank you for this.

I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being on the list.
I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking about a working dog.
This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of people who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the time?"
Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is retired, it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern doesn't have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a lesson in why ownership matters.
Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We are all able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad experience without saying the bad experience didn't happen.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laurel
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help

Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just hasn't
been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post and
help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.

As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in another
thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another thread
on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or anything.
You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send her
the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
Laurel and Stockard

On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you are
> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably wouldn't
> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, if it is
> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is possible that
> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking about the
> school.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>
>
>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers and
>> their dogs are mean".
>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you not name
>> the school?
>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I wouldn't
>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I won't tell
>> you which one".
>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, share
>> it.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>
>> Of Laurel
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>
>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need somebody
>> to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>
>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me (I'm
>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I am
>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>
>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog made
>> it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due to
>> aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she didn't
>> get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 or 5
>> months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her for 3
>> years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make it
>> not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with right
>> side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many injuries
>> while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but not a
>> good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>> months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school has
>> told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they refuse to
>> send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>
>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work anymore
>> and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and wants
>> to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves him
>> and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically said
>> that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take the
>> dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home of
>> any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>> doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the fact
>> that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt to
>> rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do to
>> keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get me
>> wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that due to
>> health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>> situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice etc
>> to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the school is
>> and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full with
>> somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my friend,
>> please write me privately and let me know.
>>
>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>> Laurel and Stockard
>>
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