[nagdu] ownership discussion

Thu Apr 12 15:03:34 UTC 2012

GDB does allow ownership after one year.  Many of us hope this policy will
change so that immediate ownership is available from GDB.  The philosophical
bent of the school does need to change and grow.
Even so, GDB is one of the leaders in developing new and improved training
techniques on both ends of the harness.  Hopefully the ownership question
will be one of those growth areas. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 7:54 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey

        It's interesting that she chose GDB as they do not grant ownership
upon graduation.

Does she know this?
GDB is a fine school. It just seems that given her experience, and the way
it has upset her, she'd go to a school that granted ownership upon
graduation.

-----Original Message-----
From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Laurel
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:44 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey

Thank you so much. She isn't having problems with this particular issue
anymore because she does own the dog. She just needs to find a place to
"place" him. She called me earlier this evening and has decided to move
foward with GDB. A GDB person called her back and spoke with her and so
she's going to move foward with that, which is good. Her biggest problem now
is finding a home for Brooks, and dealing with the grief, anger and pain and
spiteful comments from others, as I've said before. I'll pass this on to
her, and she wants me to tell you that she really appreciates the support,
and because she's moving foward and planning to get a guide again, she plans
to join the list either tomorrow or Friday.
Laurel and Stockard

On 4/11/12, Marion Gwizdala <blind411 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Here is the Guide Dog Consumers' Bill of Rights attached.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry D. Keeler" <lkeeler at comcast.net>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>
>
>> Where do you find the bill Marion?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>
>>
>>> Rebecca,
>>>    the Guide Dog Consumers' Bill of Rights addresses this issue. In 
>>> Section 4, entitled "Confidentiality", it states,
>>>
>>> a.       Individual consumers shall have the right to access any and all
>>> of the information gathered or collected about them by the guide dog 
>>> training program and contained in their files.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fraternally yours,
>>> Marion
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:54 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>
>>>
>>>> Can the NAGDU bill of rights address schools that share information 
>>>> without sharing it with the person it concerns?
>>>> That seems wrong on so many levels.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Marion Gwizdala
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:38 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Consumer Satisfaction Survey
>>>>
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>    There is another element to this issue. I know there are 
>>>> programs that would have no issue retaliating against a consumer by 
>>>> giving a negative evaluation should a person apply to another 
>>>> program. Some programs keep their records confidential even from 
>>>> the consumer, asserting the information is "privileged", belonging 
>>>> to the program, not the consumer. I believe this is quite 
>>>> problematic and that information about an individual should be 
>>>> accessible by the individual about whom the information concerns.
>>>>    One way NAGDU is hoping to provide information about consumers'
>>>> experiences with training programs is through our 
>>>> soon-to-be-released Consumer Satisfaction Survey. This survey will 
>>>> allow consumers to provide anonymous, confidential evaluations 
>>>> about their training programs without fear of retaliation. The 
>>>> survey questionnaire has been finalized and we are hoping it will 
>>>> be available online in the next month or so.
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion Gwizdala, President
>>>> National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU) National Federation 
>>>> of the Blind
>>>> 813-626-2789
>>>> President at NAGDU.ORG
>>>> HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'"
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:56 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tracy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a lot of us would like the same. The good and bad about a 
>>>>> school to be aired out. The problem with this is that, not all 
>>>>> people can give good and bad with out being defensive about it, 
>>>>> thus being very emotional about it. There are those guide dog 
>>>>> users who are very very loyal to their school, and will not admit 
>>>>> that their school does any wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am going to keep an eye on this thread, as much as I would like 
>>>>> to say that we should talk about the bad and the good, I do not 
>>>>> want this list
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>> become a bashing school list. So if we are going to discuss the 
>>>>> good and bad, people MUST be adults. I reserve the right to come 
>>>>> in and stop this thread at any point.
>>>>>
>>>>> So discuss away...
>>>>> Marsha, Moderator
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:32 AM
>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] Tell the whole truth
>>>>>
>>>>> Laurel, just as an example,  says she doesn't want to do school 
>>>>> bashing, and I think many people feel this way, but, if people 
>>>>> only give the positive parts of their experience with a school, 
>>>>> and none of the negatives, it doesn't give a true picture.  If I 
>>>>> were looking for a training program, I'd want to know about bad 
>>>>> experiences, as well as good.
>>>>> For example, if more than a few people from school X end up 
>>>>> returning the dog in less than 2 years, I'd want to know about 
>>>>> that.  If several days
>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>> training were spent hanging around the mall, I'd want to know 
>>>>> that, too.
>>>>> It was part of what I really liked about Gary's writing about his 
>>>>> school experience--he wrote about the annoying stuff, as well as 
>>>>> the good.
>>>>> I'm not interested in what happened to so-and-so 10 years ago.  
>>>>> I'm not much interested in hearsay, either.  "A friend of a
friend...", nah.
>>>>> I understand the desire not to air dirty laundry in public; I 
>>>>> really do.
>>>>> But, in its darkest aspect, that's how abuse goes on--no one wants 
>>>>> to say anything about it. Not that I'm accusing any school of 
>>>>> abusing students; it's just one end of a continuum.
>>>>> If someone has had a bad experience, I have no problem with them 
>>>>> naming names.  I don't think that's bashing; it's just letting 
>>>>> other know so they can make informed decisions.
>>>>> And, if someone has something negative to say about my beloved 
>>>>> school, I promise to take a deep breath, not get defensive, and 
>>>>> consider what they've said.
>>>>> JMHO.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
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