[nagdu] I need some advice/help

Larry D. Keeler lkeeler at comcast.net
Fri Apr 13 14:42:58 UTC 2012 

That's right we all bother Marion!  We give him something to do down there 
is sunny Florida!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marion Gwizdala" <blind411 at verizon.net>
To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
<nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help


> Jenny,
>    You are not bothering me. I look forward to your posts on the list!
>
> Marion
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jennifer Perdue" <jlperdue3 at gmail.com>
> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>
>
>> Sorry to have bothered you.  I found the link after I had emailed you.
>>
>> Jenny
>> On Apr 12, 2012, at 5:34 AM, David Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> A person can also subscribe directly using e-mail -- send a message to:
>>>
>>> nagdu-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe in the subject line 
>>> by itself.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 10:19 PM 4/11/2012, you wrote:
>>>> Laurel,
>>>>   If one goes to our website
>>>>
>>>> http://ww.nagdu.org
>>>>
>>>> and clicks on the "Join the NAGDU discussion list", it will take you 
>>>> directly to the subscription page.
>>>>
>>>> Fraternally yours,
>>>> Marion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users" 
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'll write you off list Larry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, can somebody post the subscribing email address to get on this
>>>>> group? I don't know where to go to look it up all over again. lol
>>>>> /smiles/
>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/11/12, Larry D. Keeler <lkeeler at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Let me ask around.  Write me at lkeeler at comcast.net I live here in 
>>>>>> Ann Arbor
>>>>>> and I'll poke around.  I've been promoting such things as adopting 
>>>>>> carreer
>>>>>> change dog for adoption.  Only 5, thats how old Holly is and AI sure
>>>>>> wouldn't want to retire her!
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Laurel" <laurel.stockard at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users"
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:50 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No problem Rebecca, actually this was a working guide until she
>>>>>>> retired him 3 days ago. She was forced to retire him, he's only 
>>>>>>> five.
>>>>>>> And I need help, She lives in Rockford Illinois near Chicago and she
>>>>>>> is about to have to give him up to a lab rescue because she can't 
>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>> him, can't place him and can't let him go back to southeastern.
>>>>>>> Can anybody help with this one?
>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC) <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thank you for this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm the one that gave you and your friend a hard time about being 
>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>> I read these messages out of order and thought that we were talking 
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> working dog.
>>>>>>>> This list has a bunch of very smart people on it.
>>>>>>>> All I could think was "she's got a real problem, joining a list of 
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> who can help her resolve it is easy, and yet she hasn't found the 
>>>>>>>> time?"
>>>>>>>> Your friend's situation is indeed serious, though since the dog is
>>>>>>>> retired,
>>>>>>>> it doesn't require the same level of urgency a working guide would.
>>>>>>>> Also, thank you for posting the name of the school. If Southeastern
>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> have ownership (and I can't remember if they do or not) this is a 
>>>>>>>> lesson
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> why ownership matters.
>>>>>>>> Also, like I said before, this list is made up of smart people.  We 
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> able to figure out normal school behavior v. someone having a bad
>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>> without saying the bad experience didn't happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:31 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Honestly, my friend has been dealing with alot lately and just 
>>>>>>>> hasn't
>>>>>>>> been able to join quite yet, and blame me a little, I've been
>>>>>>>> ridiculously busy with college this week, I found the time to post 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> help my friend because I take care of my friends, but shame on me I
>>>>>>>> haven't remembered to send her the exact email address so she can
>>>>>>>> subscribe. You can razz on me a little for that one /grins/.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As sfor posting the name of the school, I answered that one in 
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> thread. Mainly, I was just trying to be sensitive, and I don't want
>>>>>>>> people to know me as a school basher, but now that I'm sure you all
>>>>>>>> won't go crazy on me /grins/ I answered the question in another 
>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>>> on here. And I'm sorry if at any point I offended anybody or 
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>> You guys are awesome! I promise, I made a note to myself to send 
>>>>>>>> her
>>>>>>>> the correct subscribing email address so she can get on here.
>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/11/12, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Because, sometimes, people don't want the school to know that you 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> talking about them. Yes, in this sort of situation, I probably 
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> care, as I personally would not go back to that school. However, 
>>>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> something more minor that is more of a just FYI thing, it is 
>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> the person may not want the school knowing that he/she was talking 
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
>>>>>>>>> To: "'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>> Users'"
>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 6:22 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why on earth would you not name this school?
>>>>>>>>>> School bashing is saying "school x sucks, they have ugly trainers 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> their dogs are mean".
>>>>>>>>>> You are presenting facts as you know them to be. Why would you 
>>>>>>>>>> not name
>>>>>>>>>> the school?
>>>>>>>>>> If I go to Safeway and buy meat that I find out had spoiled, I 
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> say to my neighbor "I had a bad experience at the store, but I 
>>>>>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>>>> you which one".
>>>>>>>>>> Why doesn't this work for schools? If one is doing something bad, 
>>>>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of Laurel
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
>>>>>>>>>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nagdu] I need some advice/help
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know I haven't been part of this list for long, but I need 
>>>>>>>>>> somebody
>>>>>>>>>> to give me some advice on behalf of a friend of mine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who has a guide from a different school than me 
>>>>>>>>>> (I'm
>>>>>>>>>> GDB). I obviously won't say what school my friend is from, but I 
>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>> going to briefly detail her situation for you all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She has her third dog from this particular school. Her first dog 
>>>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>> it 3 weeks into class before getting removed from the program due 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> aggressive growling. Her second dog barked aggressivley and she 
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> get but a week with her. She went back to the same school about 4 
>>>>>>>>>> or 5
>>>>>>>>>> months later and was given a guide. This guide has been with her 
>>>>>>>>>> for 3
>>>>>>>>>> years. He has numerous health problems with his stomach that make 
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> not possible for him to work anymore. He also has issues with 
>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>> side clearance while working and my friend has suffered many 
>>>>>>>>>> injuries
>>>>>>>>>> while working this dog. This dog is a sweet dog, a good pet but 
>>>>>>>>>> not a
>>>>>>>>>> good guide. She has over the years, and imparticularly the last 6
>>>>>>>>>> months, tried desperately to get help from the school. The school 
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> told her that she's on her own and can't be helped and they 
>>>>>>>>>> refuse to
>>>>>>>>>> send a trainer out or help her in any way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, to the meat of her problem. Her dog doesn't want to work 
>>>>>>>>>> anymore
>>>>>>>>>> and is being retired. She has the ability to place the dog and 
>>>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>>>> to do so so that she can keep in contact with her dog. She loves 
>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>> and has a bond with him, he just can't work. The school basically 
>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>> that they are sending a trainer out in 2 weeks to forceably take 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> dog and rehome him. They are not planning to inform his new home 
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> any health issues he has or anything. My friend is very upset and
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't want her dog to go back to this school considering the 
>>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>>> that they didn't care about him all this time and didn't attempt 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> rectify the situation at all. Is there anything my friend can do 
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> keep the dog from getting taken by the school. Please don't get 
>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> wrong, my friend is a great handler. She was issued a dog that 
>>>>>>>>>> due to
>>>>>>>>>> health and working issues should have never been issued. This
>>>>>>>>>> situation is not her fault. Can anybody give me any legal advice 
>>>>>>>>>> etc
>>>>>>>>>> to help with the situation. I'm willing to tell you who the 
>>>>>>>>>> school is
>>>>>>>>>> and with my friend's permission discuss the situation in full 
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> somebody, if it would help. If anybody could help me and my 
>>>>>>>>>> friend,
>>>>>>>>>> please write me privately and let me know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, and I apologize that this is so long.
>>>>>>>>>> Laurel and Stockard
>>>
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